Okay any of you guys hear anything... post it...
I've got a friend out on the salt that has called back and let me know what's going on now and again... ( when he freaking remembers )...
This is one of the greatest Motorcycle races of all time... and I'm sitting here in Nowhere Alabama... I'm not a very good spectator... but this is one meet I wish I was at... The very best Motorcycles in the world... with the most talented riders and crews... damn I love stuff done at this level...
Keith
Keith
We are at their mercy, I called yeasterday and heard the Bub Liner on the phone on his return run. The crown went nuts when the times were announced. Wish I was there as well and I am only 400 miles away.
The other problem is I don't know how many besides Jon A. that has a cell phone to down load on.
Stay tuned.
GB :D
Do you know the Woz!? He is running the table where the communications is set up, and also posts the time sheets for the riders. I cannot post his cell phone here, but he usually gives people his card (s) and it has his cell phone on it. It was exciting. I was there saturday thru Tuesday. thanks, rex
Just talked to Jon Amo... he was saying that most of what has happened of significance he's covered... thou he did mention the his bike was on a 200mph plus run when he had an Oil line burn thru... everything seems to be fine and he's getting ready to run again...
He said Sam was chasing an electrical Gremlin but was on the way out to the course... and Bub guys are hanging out behind Ack Attack waiting on thier runs this morning... Talked to Dahlgren who's tuning for Mike and he said they set it on light overkill this morning...
Noonan has shown up with the Turbo bike and Kneecum is battling handling issues... but still has top speed...
That's what I know for now...
K
While the fastest is still the fastest what FIM classes are the big hitters running in?
Surely Sam Wheeler's single engine streamliner is not competeting against BUB and Ack Attack in the same class. Posted results are not to clear on this.
DW
Dan
I had the same question, waiting as well, wishing them all fast times :D
From the SCTA-BNI site
http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_bikes.htm Sam Wheeler is running in 1350cc.
Both Ack Attack and BUB are running in 3,000cc. Ack Attack with 2 Busa motors and BUB with a scratch built 3,000cc V4. Sam's record is safe for now but the 20 year old?? 3,000cc / outright record has been broken twice this week!
I made it there on Monday and saw Ack Attack's run. COOL!!! Had to come back to work so missed the Bub runs. I'd of loved to see and hear them.
Sam Wheeler just went 355 but had some issues after his chute came out... he's okay... but the bike slid on it's side....
Ack attack aborted thier run...
Jon's having fun...
Jon is qualified now at 180... but he's found some issues and fixed them... seems his Tach was out and he wasn't getting to full boost.... he wanted me to tell you guys that he's got the boost maxed out and is going for it on this run.... said the bike okay for now...
K
swing for the fence lil "eh" we are cheering for you!!!!
Quote from: racin jasonswing for the fence lil "eh" we are cheering for you!!!!
Wish I was There! :cry:
I'm Wonderin how John N. does :wink: ?
Jason, why you stayin home this week :?
I ran out of Time and Money PUTTING BACK TOGETHER My JUNK :evil: !
yes kaz im at work watching the results. im a bit short on time myself! im pretty much done for the year. im going to paint the house and all the other chores so i can get to some more races next year. take that vrod out to the lakes and go have some fun.
I'd like to ask a question about M/C engines. Does FIM allow any engine on 2 wheels to be a M/C.
Denis Mannings engine is obviously FIM approved. Would a Automotive engine meet the FIM Specs?
John Bjorkman's lakester was originally a M/C. The engine was based on a 2 cylinder KB or JP-1. I know the SCTA does not recognize this as a M/C engine...Does FIM?
Thanks to those who know.....
Tone; I don't know, but they reconized a J47 in Breedloves three wheeler. I'm pretty sure that was no bike engine.
From what I know of Landspeed racing the only place they care where the motor came from is in the production classes. Streamliners are open and only limited by engine size, fuel and if it's blown. Skys the limit!
QuoteStreamliners are open and only limited by engine size, fuel and if it's blown. Skys the limit!
Well, yes and no. For SCTA you run in a class structure. There is a frame class and an engine class. If you are running a streamliner it must be a motorcycle engine with one exception. You could even run S-P with a Production engine.
G (gas), F (fuel), BG (blown), or BF state:
QuoteUnlimited in design, but must be comprised of major parts and components designed primarily for use in motorcycles.
Production, pushrod, and vintage and all the variations must be a motorcycle engine.
The exception is UG and UF. It has to be an Otto cycle and run in streamliner only. I don't think anyone has ever run this engine class.
On the other hand, I don't know what else the BUB liner could be.
nope!
Ya cant put a car motor in a bike and you cant mix motor and frame makers up. lots of other neet rule kinda stuff.......... its mostly all printed in a little colorfull book....... i think dan has a copy! i know jack has seen a copy
kent
just looked at the results posted. I wonder what all the "ready" and "timings" mean? did they not make it to the first set of lights? Just talked to mooreland he was chasing an electrical gremlin but still has the fastest Harley at 217. Anybody know how the J&P guys are doin with my old liner?
kent
Went over on Monday took some pic's saw Ack run 348. Visited with Sumner. Tried to put pic's on user pictures, to big. How do I resize?
SB
Automotive non_MC engines are in common use around the world in FIM speed record and Drag Racing (Sprints).
SCTA does allow non MC engines in classes that allow UNLIMITED engines per 7.J.12.
The only person that spoke against it was Lingua and the rest of the meeting participants said it was OK.
That is back when our "ROOTS" were based on the wishes of the participants as a whole and not just special interests. :wink:
Okay guys.... first with news is our hero... Someone out there talks... Post it...
I'll try and get us a mid day update with Jon...
K
Y'know, you can buy production motorcycles from a couple of companies that have Chevrolet engines in them. "Boss Hoss" is the most well known brand. They offer both 350ci and 502ci versions.
Kent is your old Liner the Vesco bike someone mentioned?
K
Quote from: aswracingY'know, you can buy production motorcycles from a couple of companies that have Chevrolet engines in them. "Boss Hoss" is the most well known brand. They offer both 350ci and 502ci versions.
You are correct if they were produced for sale to the general public in excess of the 500 minimum required.
Their are several HD clone brands out there that use S+S motors that meet the production rules of the wise
and not the wishes of the foolish.
Now they are stuck with a number of real records with really no place to put them other than
go back to their "ROOTS" and leave it alone. :wink:
With what I now have read. I think this part of the rule book has not changed; Why was John Bjorkman's M/C streamliner not allowed?
The only referance I can find in the book is it's for UG ans UF only and John's engine runs in "G" class as a 4 wheeled vehicle which is under 2000 cc....
Seems to me the M/C clan doesn't care when they get big but don't want real M/C engine classes invaded by spinoffs of automobile engines. JMO
Like Kent says it's in the book....Still waiting for Yacoucci's engine to be put in a Roadster....
The non MC engine was allowed at the request of JB and presented to the entire group
of participnts at the Speedweek meeting and only met with 1 objction.
Mark was sure that it would open the door to F-1 engines and ruin it for everybody.
It was previeved and approved by the membership for recommendation to the board.
JB did run it s a MC and crashd it.
That is when he gave up the challange and made the packag into a car.
The only embarrasment was the bike engines in selected cars that haul the mail. :wink:
kt
yes and no! yes jon mentioned it as being a Vesco liner but no it was not built by Don. The frame was originally built by Bob George and at one point of its life Don worked on it, but he didnt build it.
I see the new owners J&P have made it to the line twice but no times yet.
kent
Jack D. I don't think John "crashed" he liner It fell over about 200 feet off the starting line the only time I saw it run. It shortly became a 4 wheeler. I was under the impression the engine was not allowed.
I do not believe a M/C based engine in a "4" wheeler is an embarrasment to anyone. We have witnessed all type of engines, especially in streamliners, used since the begining. Many outboard engines were used too. The use of any engines which make a lot of power in a small package are useful in cars designed today.....
Many engines make more power but not is such a small package. I think Denis Manning said it best on Wind Tumnnel last Sunday night. If we could get a 50cc liner over 120 we should get a 3000cc a lot higher than where it is.
I'm the one who bugs Rick about putting the engine in a roadster everytime he comes to El Mirage impounds...........
I don't think Rick want's to put his motor in a roadster, but if he does, I would sure like to lend him mine. Or at least talk about it.
Ack goes out and says top that. Bub goes out and says, Ok, top that. Then Sam says, "Well, I guess I'll take it off the trailer long enough to show you boys what ya gotta top."
Gotta love it.
Thanks,
Jim
thanks for the updates. sounds a bit epic this week.
3 liners
all over 300mph
old record broken, twice by two different scooters
then the guy who owned it to begin with says top this!
man oh man... must be fun being a spectator up there.
i'm stuck in DC and the only speed I am working on here is chasing my 2 year old from running into the hotel elevator by herself.
any word on john? and which bike is he on?
john who?
Kent
That would be John Bjorkman It started out as a motorcycle with a 2 cyl. KB engine, crashed at El Mirage about 1/4 track, Later converted it to a 4 wheel lakester and it is now a 6 wheel lakester, 4 rear drivers. has run 218 mph. :D
Only Tone knows for sure.
I guess I have always been confused about that . LOL
Quote from: 1212FBGSI see the new owners J&P have made it to the line twice but no times yet.
kent
Kent the rider that came with the liner had problems. Then they looked for a rider from those available at the meet with no real luck. Finally they flew a rider in from Iowa that had been in the liner before. By now it is the end of the week and they want the new rider to go down course on a test run and that was done. After that they made a run, but I didn't get the times, but think it was well under 200 and I think then the meet was over. So much went on it is now a blur and communications were not good out there.
That is one beautiful body you made (I took lots of pictures of it) and they have done a nice job with the harley in it and it should run well.
c ya, Sum
Kent, I'm one of the crew for your old liner. What a learning curve! Our objective was to get a few clean passes. Out here in Iowa there is no where to set up any procedures on how to get off the line etc. We dragged the liner off to one side and kind of got a handle on starting off. :roll: We didn't get the last couple of bits until Sam Wheeler arrived on Tuesday. We finally staged and on the Wednesday run, a 6 mile-an-hour crosswind blew him off course before the traps. The final day we were able to get a pair of runs. Down Kilo 181.384, Down Mile 181.092. Return Kilo 179.609, Return Mile 176.805, This establishes S/PG-1350 records of Kilo 180.4965 and Mile 178.9485. Modest, but we reached our objective without falling down and hurting anything or anyone. Considering we had absolutely no experience with a Streamliner we are mildly pleased and can build from here. Sumner, it was very pleasant to meet you and I'll look forward to seeing you again.
Quote from: XeaSumner, it was very pleasant to meet you and I'll look forward to seeing you again.
Likewise and you guys have done a great job with the liner and I think your speeds will be much higher next time. The whole motor install, paint and finish on the car is great and I did finally get to see it go down the course and it looked like it has a lot left in it.
c ya,
Sum
so who eventually rode the liner
I know leo did some tow tests with Bob George but I dont think he ever made a pass under power. Leo still has records at El Mo and Bonni.
Just got home from BUB.....Yes, Kent, it was Leo Hess driving your old liner.....I had a nice talk with him going over the "good old days"......he is building his own liner....hopes to run it in 2007
if he can find some sponsership!!!!
what kind of motor is he gona put in his?
BIG....BIG....V-Twin (Harley????)
hey bak what happened to that NSU
kr
The NSU/HONDA ran, I believe, around 120mph, they had a lot of German press and TV. around them.
People on the salt, really had no idea what it was all about.....but it is, and was, a BIG thing to the Germans. The bike is a really nice piece and well done......the BASF
company payed for the shipping and the box/container.....the shipping box was almost as nice as the bike.
I understand they did some cutting on the NSU before it ran.
What was that all about ?
is the bike still here or has it gone back?
kent
We where pitted next to them. They were modifying their windshield for better visibility. They were pretty laid back. Seemed liked they got done what they wanted to.....
I understand the bike is on it's way back to Germany......It was just a very succesfull PR. venture