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Title: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 28, 2023, 10:23:34 AM
I want to put Moon discs on my '21 GMC Canyon using weld-on tabs and Dzus.  Nothing unusual - - but where there heck do I get the wheels?  I'd settle for used spare tire wheels (not mini spares) from the junk yard, I'd consider new.

But why the heck can't I find 'em?  Are plain steel wheels a thing of the past?
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: manta22 on March 28, 2023, 10:37:03 AM
I use Bassett racing wheels but no tabs.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: deepindebt on March 28, 2023, 11:34:38 AM
Speedway, Coker
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: floydjer on March 28, 2023, 11:45:26 AM
Because....In 2021 The General switched calipers to a different design that does not allow clearance for the steel wheel. 🤔
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 28, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
But but but Jerry, the spare that came with the truck would be dandy - if I could find three mates for it.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: floydjer on March 28, 2023, 12:34:16 PM
Well bro'.....I believe if you slide under the truck and have a looksie...That spare tire is a full size temporary on a 16 inch wheel. You will need 3 more wheels and 4 tires. Wonder if you could mount the Moons on the alum. wheel??  :cheers:
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Stainless1 on March 28, 2023, 02:29:54 PM
I have tabs welded on my Aluminum racing wheels on the back of the lakester... so we know it can be done and they stayed on to about 3900 RPM so far...
:cheers:
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 28, 2023, 05:03:53 PM
Maybe you could have someone drill and tap the wheels and mount the moons with screws 1drink Sometimes you just have to screw it :friday
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: floydjer on March 28, 2023, 05:47:03 PM
Or...drill/tap and use long Dzus tabs 🤔 Could probably blind rivet them too. ( Drill and tap? Wondered when this thread would go there) :clap :clap :clap
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 28, 2023, 06:48:15 PM
I've tried all three types:  screw-on, snap-on, and Dzus buttons & tabs.  No doubt in my mind - the others haven't stayed in place over the summer.

I like Stainless' idea.  Gotta find someone around here.  Tnx. 
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: mc2032 on March 29, 2023, 09:03:25 AM
Any landspeed racers in the Elkhorn, Nebr area?  Set of 4 steels for 200 bucks.  I am guessing there would/should be the same kinda deal locally in the UP?  Heck, you could swing by Lincoln Nebr (just a hop skip and a jump from Elkhorn) and pick up the spun discs from speedway the same day!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/108741052116150/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A42597b64-3a6a-4549-8edc-dbc30d04a2a2

Reset the FB filter to Grand Rapids and bunch of steel rims popped up.  And every last one of them was practically rusted thru.  I am amazed SSS's Canyon doesn't have high sky-high blood pressure with that much salt laying around.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 29, 2023, 11:24:34 AM
Grand Rapids, Michigan, is a 388-mile ride from here.  Grand Rapids, Minnesota, is 349 miles.  Neither would be convenient.  Try 100 miles from Marquette, Michigan and let me know, k?
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: mc2032 on March 29, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
Michigan, Minnesota, all those border states look the same to me.  Flat, white, lakey.  And lutefisk. 
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Stainless1 on March 29, 2023, 05:14:46 PM
Jon, do they look like this?  If so welding a tab between the legs would be simple... probably easy to find location without a jig.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: jacksoni on March 30, 2023, 06:24:58 AM
Ebay shows several sizes, steel spare tire wheels. Some cheap but high shipping, others more expensive with free shipping. Whats your budget? But junk yard might be best bet though if the older ones don't fit as Jer suggests might be harder to find.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 30, 2023, 11:16:32 AM
Here's the spare for the truck.   The tire is a temporary, but the wheel is what I'm looking for.  Sure looks okay to me.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/IMG_9288.HEIC)

The factory wheels will probably work - I've got a tab-mounting jig from Moon that'll confirm the possibility that Stainless is correct.  At least they've got a correct number of spokes.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/IMG_9289.HEIC)
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: floydjer on March 30, 2023, 11:44:46 AM
Excellent.....All you need is 3 more of those wheels and 4 tires. The spare wheel is 17"... Your tires are 18".
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 30, 2023, 12:40:03 PM
Very observant, Jerry.  I'm going to buy a second set of tires anyway, and 18" skins cost more than their 17" bretheren, so that's fine.  I've also got a 16" steel spare from the old truck, so maybe I'll scare up a set of 16s.  No, I won't mix 'em.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: floydjer on March 30, 2023, 01:20:46 PM
O.k.....And the tire pressure monitors will work with the temp. spare wheels?..And you might want to test fit that 16 inch wheel on the front axle, There WILL be a clearance issue. Carry on, J.B. out.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 30, 2023, 01:44:36 PM
Pressure monitors aren't a worry, and I use a 4-hose manifold to inflate 'em equally.

As for clearance - sure, I'll check, but everybody and his brother guaranteed similar fitment issues with 1" undersize wheels on my two previous pickups.  "They absolutely will not fit!", said many.  They fit just dandy, but I'll admit that was over only 300,000 miles.  Maybe I shoulda tested longer to find that misfit...
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: jacksoni on March 30, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
here's a cheap 16" if you can get shipping combined to reasonable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/265316568110

Or  17": https://www.ebay.com/itm/195151975950
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 31, 2023, 10:57:57 AM
Looks like you spare wheel is starting to rust
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 31, 2023, 02:15:37 PM
Yeah, and it's never been to Bonneville.  Maybe I'll check the spare from my previous truck (I kept it) and see what it looks like after 4 trips to Bville.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: bearingburner on March 31, 2023, 02:37:03 PM
On our lakester we made a jig so that any Moon fit any wheel.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 07, 2023, 04:09:28 PM
John, try this site, https://www.carid.com/spare-wheels.html, we bought some wheels from them when we needed a 17 x 4 inch rim.

Rex
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 08, 2023, 05:09:44 AM
Close, Rex.  In fact - I can get what I want through them.  Thanks.  But I gotta say I'm surprised that I thought it'd be simple enough to find a junk yard and get the spares off wrecks.  Problem:  No junkyards anywhere near me.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Stan Back on April 08, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Years ago I had Moons on a Camaro.  Had them on with tapped screws.  Pain in the ass to check inflation, plus the wheels flexed and the screws work thru the disc and they'd fly off.  Dzus fittings negate this problem.

Another option is to relocate the inflation plugs to the inside.  About half of them will be accessible half the time!   
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: rockracer on January 27, 2024, 05:41:06 PM
Are you still looking for wheels  ?
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 27, 2024, 07:00:48 PM
I'd like some moon discs on my truck, and that takes steel wheels.  Whatcha got?
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: fissionspeed on January 29, 2024, 12:26:53 AM
When faced with this problem I found that there were no steel wheels available that wouldn't also require me replacing my 4 brand new tires. My solution was to machine 3 special lug nuts per wheel that came out to the face of the wheel, with tapped holes in them. Then I had some discs laser cut, added some felt tape, and done.

Now admittedly, it was several days of manual machining after work, has probably destroyed the finish on my factory wheels, and I need to carry a hex set with me everywhere, but hey it looks cool.

(https://i.imgur.com/KuIAMTll.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BCuIBuml.jpg)
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 29, 2024, 08:25:22 AM
Plain ol' steel wheels are easy to find for many vehicles - yours included, no doubt.  The spare tire is usually mounted on one of them, and the spare wheel WILL fit the vehicle it came on.  All ya need to do is find four spares and you're golden.  I've found them online for as little as $45 ea.

The spare isn't necessarily the same diameter as the other four:  my Canyon has 18" wheels all 'round but a 17" spare.  That'll mean you'll need different tires, too, but for me that's not a bad thing.  I run highway tires in the summer, Blizzak winter tires  during the other 8 months, so I'll get 17" tires come springtime, and then I can wear Moon discs on the truck.
Title: Re: Steel wheels
Post by: rockracer on January 29, 2024, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on January 27, 2024, 07:00:48 PM
I'd like some moon discs on my truck, and that takes steel wheels.  Whatcha got?
I had a set of baby-moon steel wheels but they sold yesterday after sitting online for months.