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Title: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: lcorriveau3 on August 30, 2010, 05:51:39 PM
Is there a way to find out what vehicle, be it bike or auto, set a record? I am interested in the Production class? Just wondering what body style/Make was used to set each record. Any and all help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: willieworld on August 30, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/SpeedWeek_10/results.html      

http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/index-2010.html    

http://www.scta-bni.org/El%20Mirage/ELM%2010/ELM_Results10.htm           
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: dw230 on August 30, 2010, 06:44:46 PM
That link won't help you if you are looking to find out if a Camero or Mustang was used.

I have the cert cards. Post a question here and I will try to find the info you are looking for.
By posting here rather than PM I think others will find interesting.

DW
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: lcorriveau3 on August 31, 2010, 09:23:47 AM
DW, I was looking to see what vehicle make, model and year set the production coupe/sedan class for the following:
E/PRO
D/PRO

You help is much appreciated.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: lcorriveau3 on August 31, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
willieworld, thanks for the links, great pics.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: Dynoroom on August 31, 2010, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: lcorriveau3 on August 31, 2010, 09:23:47 AM
DW, I was looking to see what vehicle make, model and year set the production coupe/sedan class for the following:
E/PRO
D/PRO

You help is much appreciated.

Both of these records were set by gen. lll Camaros, unless the records were reset at Speedweek 2010
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: dw230 on August 31, 2010, 12:41:41 PM
Mike is correct. Cameros all, the bread and butter of Bonneville - Gen III GM.

DW
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: saltfever on August 31, 2010, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: dw230 on August 30, 2010, 06:44:46 PM
I have the cert cards. Post a question here and I will try to find the info you are looking for.
By posting here rather than PM I think others will find interesting.DW
Great idea, Dan. And thanks for thinking of the rest of us by going "public".  :-) After all you have the certified data and it doesn't get any better than that!  :cheers:
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: gearheadeh on September 01, 2010, 06:36:15 AM
Quote from: dw230 on August 30, 2010, 06:44:46 PM
That link won't help you if you are looking to find out if a Camero or Mustang was used.

I have the cert cards. Post a question here and I will try to find the info you are looking for.
By posting here rather than PM I think others will find interesting.

DW
Again Dan is the Man, willing to help out!
I have an idea that would not be too tough to intiate. I feel there is enough room in the records posted to install another column between entry and driver. There should be enough room for a Maximum 4 letter abbreviation of the make plus the full model name of the entry for every record entry from now on!
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: dw230 on September 01, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Wouldn't you want to know type of engine, body mods, etc.?

Not every one uses a small block Chevy, full belly pan or takes complete advantage of available aero mods allowed by class rules.

DW
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: gearheadeh on September 01, 2010, 09:46:16 AM
Quote from: dw230 on September 01, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Wouldn't you want to know type of engine, body mods, etc.?

Not every one uses a small block Chevy, full belly pan or takes complete advantage of available aero mods allowed by class rules.

DW


No No, I'm not trying to be difficult and cause alot of extra work!!!!!!! But the Bike records show the Bike make(But not the Rider's name?)  Maybe it would look like this:



                                         PRODUCTION COUPE AND SEDAN-/PRO

[ A ][ Fox/Doll/Christophersen   ][ Ford Mustang ][ J. Fox                    ][ 08/94 ][ 225.575 ]
[ B ][ Doll-Fox-Christophersen   ][ Chev Camaro ][  S. Christophersen    ][ 08/01 ][ 230.342 ]


Kinda sorta shows what I was thinking.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: lcorriveau3 on September 01, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
I think at least engine(ie 4, 6, 8 cyl) & displacement should be available.  But from what I am finding out from other posts, there are no allowed body mods for production class.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 01, 2010, 09:53:13 AM
Actually, a spreadsheet (downloadable from the SCTA site) with all available data would be really nice!   :mrgreen:

Hmmmm, I'd be willing to be a clerk-typist/office drudge for that type of project. 

Mike
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: desotoman on September 01, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
For General information, not all records set at Bonneville are set at SCTA meets.
Anyone that runs at the USFRA meet can also set a record at Bonneville.

Tom G.

Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: Freud on September 01, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Tom, aren't the records from USFRA recorded with the SCTA records?

FREUD
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: desotoman on September 01, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: Freud on September 01, 2010, 11:25:45 AM

Tom, aren't the records from USFRA recorded with the SCTA records?

FREUD



Yes, but I don't know how much information is shared between the two organizations, as far as make of engine, make of car, etc. And yes most cars that run USFRA run SCTA also.

Tom G.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: RansomT on September 01, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: dw230 on September 01, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Wouldn't you want to know type of engine, body mods, etc.?

Not every one uses a small block Chevy, full belly pan or takes complete advantage of available aero mods allowed by class rules.

DW

But in Production Class, that doesn't play into it.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: saltfever on September 01, 2010, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: lcorriveau3 on September 01, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
I think at least engine(ie 4, 6, 8 cyl) & displacement should be available.  But from what I am finding out from other posts, there are no allowed body mods for production class.
Displacement is listed for every record. Engine size A,B,C, etc. LSR is all about aero & HP. To keep things simple, Body type could be added. Knowing body type and speed you can calculate power fairly accurately. Knowing power it is up to you to decide how many cylinders you need to get it. I would like to see a "Body" column but anything else is nice but unnecessary complexity.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: dw230 on September 01, 2010, 04:42:28 PM
Tom, et all,

The same impound people work the USFRA meet. Same paperwork, same tools, same sign, etc.

DW
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: lcorriveau3 on September 02, 2010, 03:35:42 PM
Quote from: saltfever on September 01, 2010, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: lcorriveau3 on September 01, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
I think at least engine(ie 4, 6, 8 cyl) & displacement should be available.  But from what I am finding out from other posts, there are no allowed body mods for production class.
Displacement is listed for every record. Engine size A,B,C, etc. LSR is all about aero & HP. To keep things simple, Body type could be added. Knowing body type and speed you can calculate power fairly accurately. Knowing power it is up to you to decide how many cylinders you need to get it. I would like to see a "Body" column but anything else is nice but unnecessary complexity.
Ok I understand your point on deciding cyl. count
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: saltfever on September 02, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
If we knew the body you can search to find out it's CdA. The record gives exact speed and with both info you can get power. Some people pull two cylinders out of a V-8 to get into a lower displacement class. Others will run a regular V-6. Some V-8s have been cut in half to run as 4 cylinders. It would be impossible to accurately track detailed engine configuration but it is irrelevant anyway. The essence of your question is what power was used to get the record. That is why body style (i.e., CdA) is so important because it is the missing part of the power equation. Knowing body class, the rule book tells you everything else about its modifications, or at least, the maximum allowable mods. In many cases not all allowable mods have been used.  :wink:
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: desotoman on September 02, 2010, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: dw230 on September 01, 2010, 04:42:28 PM
Tom, et all,

The same impound people work the USFRA meet. Same paperwork, same tools, same sign, etc.

DW

Does the USFRA give the SCTA all of their information? Or only the records to be posted in the rule book?

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: lcorriveau3 on September 03, 2010, 02:57:51 AM
Salt, You are right.           "The essence of my question is what power was used to get the record."


I have to say I am learning alot about the addiction people have on this site. I never realised how easy it is to get entrenched in researching a set up.

Your statement on engine configurations is quite interesting. It's interesting to hear how many different ways/configurations engines are set up to run.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: akk on September 03, 2010, 03:44:13 AM
How about a photo of the record holding car in the speed week program.

Now only the name and record is given for each class....the pre entry's, if they want, get their picture in the book. It would be tough the first time but easier after the first year.

Akk
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: gearheadeh on September 03, 2010, 07:23:29 AM
Quote from: akk on September 03, 2010, 03:44:13 AM
How about a photo of the record holding car in the speed week program.

Now only the name and record is given for each class....the pre entry's, if they want, get their picture in the book. It would be tough the first time but easier after the first year.

Akk


I second this idea!
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: saltfever on September 03, 2010, 01:03:49 PM
Akk , as you well know, just look at the amount of paperwork already in impound. Then after the back-up run, even more certification after inspection. I certainly support the idea of a record photo and I would like to have a photo also, but I feel there is a point when how much do you ask of a volunteer organization. And what is the purpose. With a little research and effort there are enough photos by Ray the Rat and others that any individual can put a "face" on a record in the past few years. The daily run sheets posted on the SCTA web gives all the car numbers and most free-lance photos show that number. Forums and blogs can also fill in the blanks. If somebody wants to go for a record, the upfront research is nothing compared to how much effort will go into actually running LSR. So how much burden do we want to put on SCTA vs. leaving a little home-work to the individual. The easiest way to accomplish the photo request would be to have a full-time(or volunteer) photographer in the inspection/certification line after the back-up run. Then it has to be coordinated with Dan's paperwork, and forever be attached or tagged to that cert. You could also make a digital file mandatory as part of every entry form. Then a volunteer would have to spend copious time organizing everything and connecting the dots after the meet. Look how much effort and time it takes now to just get a simple timing tag to everybody after speed week. If a person wants a picture bad enough let them put some effort into it. Why ask SCTA to carry that burden.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: Glen on September 03, 2010, 01:11:01 PM
Salt fever,I agree with you. Every hour that it takes now would just add to the burden of getting everything done and out in a timely manner. I see no need for the addition of the car type in the rule book either. The pages are full now and would require a lot of editing to each class more pages and smaller print to get the car type on the same line.

My vote is NO !!
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: akk on September 06, 2010, 10:00:04 AM
Gee I did not want to get any one up tight....What happens to all of those pictures sent in with pre entry's?...Who puts together the speed week program? I am sure Jim Miller has photos of every car that ever set a record!   Maybe the record holders should give a photo to the speed week program people....

Akk
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: Freud on September 06, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
When one sees the fotos that are presented to the editor of the Speed Week program and then to think

that another set would also be presented, I can see the editor turning to boxed wine to embellish

the headache he already has.

I suggest that homework is the answer for the person who wants the info.

FREUD
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: interested bystander on September 06, 2010, 11:03:45 AM


Gota back up what Fleud says. Do the research.

There's an absolute wealth of photographic data past and present available thruout the internet.

Sumner's great website with his directory of cars broken down by car number is a great start and for those interested the study of aero effects, the Harnick photos on SC TA's site after El Mirage are great to peruse because of the dust trails. And SSS and RTR's great stuff etc.

The program compositor is a rather sensitive chap and goes way beyond 100% in his efforts to track down data and photos of the entries each year plus dealing with folks who want their stuff published in exchange for free advertising. The program would be the size of a phone book.

(The boxed wine reference is probably close to the truth ). He don't need no more stress.
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: Stan Back on September 08, 2010, 11:53:16 AM
Ray the Rat's cover photo overshadowed the whole program any way.

4-Barrel --
Be careful what you volunteer for.

Stan
Title: Re: How do I find out what set the record???
Post by: Duane on September 08, 2010, 02:24:34 PM
IB/Freud...

boxed wine??  I was under the impression the afore-mentioned editor/compositor cut straight to the liquid version screwdriver in an effort to calm those ever-so-sensitive nerves....

Duane