For and against water injection

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It's those clever rejoinders that make these visits such fun. The fastest reaction is entirely composed of:
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That was so helpful, and contributes a great deal to the discussion.

sabat: please, remind me - exactly where did I copy this from, and to whom should it be attributed?

[jl222]

my experience is the water injection only works in lower boost application..... now if your talking aircraft stuff yeah it would probably work in higher boost especially at altitude where their is no oxygen ... i feel it is a band aid... if your using it to slow burn race then your head squish and piston dome isn't right... if your using it to keep valves from stretching get a bigger stem size or a different supplier.... if your using it to fix a problem then fix the problem right... W I can have too many variables.... man up for the expensive stitches not the band aid.... let me add this, so yer only gonna get so much stuff past an intake port... so if you displace some of that air fuel area with 2 parts hydrogen than that's good right? humm.... don't you 4 stroke guys wanna run in the 12 to 13 AF range?  I mean fuel and oxygen makes the heat and heat is power so.... yeah yeah we can beat this dead horse around for a while..... black/white, Ford/Chevy, Yankees and Raiders still suck..... tonic water with my Gin please!
Kent

  kent... read reply #16 and maybe you'll understand how to get more through an intake port. If increasing hp from 2000 to 3800
doesn't convince ya that water injection works... nothing will, and those test were done on earth at 60 psi boost.
Low pressure only, how about 175 psig and 3 gal min. [ Turbochargers by Hugh Machinnes pg 118] 3 stage turbos and no room for intercoolers.
  The 222 engine would melt at 12...13 air fuel so a big NO.

             JL222

   P.S. better make that a double

[1 fast evo 2]

my experience is the water injection only works in lower boost application..... now if your talking aircraft stuff yeah it would probably work in higher boost especially at altitude where their is no oxygen ... i feel it is a band aid... if your using it to slow burn race then your head squish and piston dome isn't right... if your using it to keep valves from stretching get a bigger stem size or a different supplier.... if your using it to fix a problem then fix the problem right... W I can have too many variables.... man up for the expensive stitches not the band aid.... let me add this, so yer only gonna get so much stuff past an intake port... so if you displace some of that air fuel area with 2 parts hydrogen than that's good right? humm.... don't you 4 stroke guys wanna run in the 12 to 13 AF range?  I mean fuel and oxygen makes the heat and heat is power so.... yeah yeah we can beat this dead horse around for a while..... black/white, Ford/Chevy, Yankees and Raiders still suck..... tonic water with my Gin please!
Kent

  kent... read reply #16 and maybe you'll understand how to get more through an intake port. If increasing hp from 2000 to 3800
doesn't convince ya that water injection works... nothing will, and those test were done on earth at 60 psi boost.
Low pressure only, how about 175 psig and 3 gal min. [ Turbochargers by Hugh Machinnes pg 118] 3 stage turbos and no room for intercoolers.
  The 222 engine would melt at 12...13 air fuel so a big NO.

             JL222

   P.S. better make that a double

Really? How rich do you run that car and on what type of fuel(unless you don't want that publically known) ?

[jl222]

 

 Fast-Evo... A8C ..118 octane  AF   What AF you run?

                 JL222

[1 fast evo 2]

I run in the high 11's to low 12's.

[38flattie]

I'm going to try it on a blown Caddy flathead, with about 12lbs boost. I don;t have room for an intercooler, so this intrigues me. I'd be happy To provide with/without dyno results. I realize this is not on the same level as a lot of you guys, but they should be good, realistic, unbiased results.

[jl222]

I'm going to try it on a blown Caddy flathead, with about 12lbs boost. I don;t have room for an intercooler, so this intrigues me. I'd be happy To provide with/without dyno results. I realize this is not on the same level as a lot of you guys, but they should be good, realistic, unbiased results.

I've observed that roots blown engines [ on gas] with no intercooler or water injection don't go any faster than the unblown guys.

                       JL222

[38flattie]

Yep, I've noticed the same thing! Sometimes not as fast.

[Seldom Seen Slim]

I don't remember where the thread about alcohol in gasoline - and the potential need for removing said alky - is located.  If one of you would be so kind as to freshen my memory - I'll post the response that Rick Gold (ERC) sent along.  He discusses it in good detail and I'd like for all to be able to read it.

[dw230]

4 barrel Mike can find it. He finds everything.

DW

[4-barrel Mike]

4 barrel Mike can find it. He finds everything.

DW

Gee, thanks (I think  )

While on a very short coffee break, only finding slim pickings.  The most appropos is this ECTA forum thread (?) which I did NOT take time to read thoroughly: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,6531.0.html

Mike