Brand new at this please help !

[taper41]

i've put together an inference, if its wrong let me know , if im correct it would be nice if you would confirm aswell.

theoretically if all paremeters were the same for each vehicle they should be be able to reach the same speed. if there was the same traction and a windless aread.

my thought is that a 2 wheeled vehicle would be more aerodynamic, but at the same time would not be able to withstand as much downforce or restistance as a 4 wheeled vehicle.

with that being said a 4 wheeled vehicle although not as aerodynamic can handle more power aswell could withstand greater forces that are working against the vehicle as it reaches higher speeds

am i right or totally off base

[Stan Back]

Yes.  And remember -- theoretical vehicles always reach theoretical speeds.

[4-barrel Mike]

Yes.  And remember -- theoretical vehicles always reach theoretical speeds.

Well said, Professor K.  LOL



Mike

[taper41]

Yes.  And remember -- theoretical vehicles always reach theoretical speeds.

so your agreeing with me stan?

[jl222]

  If all paramaters were the same what would be the difference? You mean the same except 2 verses 4 wheels?

 One of your questions was why Bville speeds were higher for streamliners than bikes.

 DW answered your question and so did I, but for all out top speed 1 drive wheel can't handle the power
required.

  2 wheel drive bike? There is a Jet bike that might blow everyone into the weeds

   JL222

[taper41]

 i understand what you are saying, when i mean parameters the same im stating that variables like wind .

i figure that 2 wheels will have better aero but theoretically would never be able to withstand equal resistance of 4 wheels
meaning although they can slip through the air better, 4 wheeled vehicles can stand the higher resistance ( downforce, and opposing force) to maintain equal speed of the 2 wheeler.
wrong or right

[McRat]

I'm going to guess for a given amount of HP, 2 wheels can be made to go faster.

The lowest rolling resistance can be had with larger tires.   Try pushing a shopping cart in the dirt.

The shape to best contain a human and tallest tires is a circle, or close to it.

You would have to add frontal area to cover 4 wheels of the same dia, so you'd have to reduce the dia to get the same frontal area, unless you put them all in line.

Realistically, if the rider is going to balance the bike (not fly-by-wire, 2-wheel steering, with gyro stablization), then the lack of 2 front wheels is a serious safety drawback.  Any issue with the front tire traction, and it crashes. 

Now you COULD make a motorcycle that won't crash when the front tire slips ... 

[Glen]

Taper, why don't you tell us a little about your self and where you are from. Are you a racer and planning on building something to run in LSR? We really want to know.

[Stan Back]

Thinking (a strain for me) this all over, I've de-dueced (32Ford?) that a one-wheel vehicle would be the winner -- all (some) things being Equal (or another sugar-substitute).

The proof is in the pudding -- let that thought jell(-O) for a while.

Stan Back

[McRat]

Thinking (a strain for me) this all over, I've de-dueced (32Ford?) that a one-wheel vehicle would be the winner -- all (some) things being Equal (or another sugar-substitute).

The proof is in the pudding -- let that thought jell(-O) for a while.

Stan Back

Only if you run it a wider course though ...   

[Tman]

wHAT IF YOU ADDDED A PROPELLER?

[McRat]

On a treadmill or not?

[taper41]

I'm going to guess for a given amount of HP, 2 wheels can be made to go faster.

The lowest rolling resistance can be had with larger tires.   Try pushing a shopping cart in the dirt.

The shape to best contain a human and tallest tires is a circle, or close to it.

You would have to add frontal area to cover 4 wheels of the same dia, so you'd have to reduce the dia to get the same frontal area, unless you put them all in line.

Realistically, if the rider is going to balance the bike (not fly-by-wire, 2-wheel steering, with gyro stablization), then the lack of 2 front wheels is a serious safety drawback.  Any issue with the front tire traction, and it crashes. 

Now you COULD make a motorcycle that won't crash when the front tire slips ... 


ofcourse if both a 2 and 4 wheeled vehicle given the same hp the 2 wheels would be made to go faster, but  4 wheels technically should be able to handle more power than 2 yes or no?

[Seldom Seen Slim]

Okay, Mr. Taper -- glen has asked a fair question and I'll second it.  Would you please be so kind as to put your location into your "profile" page back in registration -- so we'll at least know where you're located.  Not street address -- but city and state is good so we know if there's a racer nearby that can visit and help out -- or if you can visit and help one of us.

Also -- how 'bout some background?  Where, for example, did you get the knowledge needed to ask the basic questions you're asking?  Have you raced in other forms of wheeled/engine driven vehicles.  I could go on -- but we'd all rather have you take a moment and tell us.  I see you're on line right now -- so take a little time and give us the background, please.  I'll point out that if you don't give us location -- I'll assign one to you and it might not be correct !

[Bob Drury]

  In my opinion, ALL posters on this site should BE REQUIRED to have their home City and State listed  as part of their post.
 There is in my opinion no reason to not do so, and it could really make things more efficient for technical information or buying and selling, especially vehicles.
 If you want to hide behind a Psuedoname or moniker, thats fine also, but I will never really understand why.                                           JMO         Bob