Need suggestions for MC leathers

isiahstites · July 04, 2007, 09:18:32 AM

Does this metal zipper rule apply to SCTA as well?? I have looked in the rulebook and have not found anything stating anything about metal zippers.

Scott

JackD · July 04, 2007, 10:09:44 AM

The SCTA rules seem to indicate the zipper must be "all leather" also.
There is only mention of the "All Cow" requirement that is unique in all of motor sports.
That is what it says, do we think they know what it means ?
The rules should say what they mean, and say it in a way that is universally understood and with it comes enforceability.
Without clarity, it becomes subject to

narider · July 04, 2007, 10:17:13 AM

Hi Scott, the reasoning that ECTA may differ from SCTA here(and I can only help speak for the ECTA and believe the SCTA zipper if allowed must be made of steed as the rest of the suit), is because the ECTA is currently on a concrete surface. And with it's old joints and cracks being very pronounced, it leaves a large possibility of grabbing the jacket flap that covers the zippered seam in two piece suit during a feet forward slide and a probability of separating the two(with access to the zipper it leaves the y2k style zippers more exposed to failure via wear and/or melting).
This is why this rule may differ between the two venues and is only relative to the jacket and pants connection.
Todd

narider · July 04, 2007, 10:21:40 AM

Quote from: JackD on July 04, 2007, 10:09:44 AM
The SCTA rules seem to indicate the zipper must be "all leather" also.

I really thought that would be my snide remark. Nicely done Jack(I should of known

)..

Todd

Seldom Seen Slim · July 04, 2007, 10:24:18 AM

Oh, no, Todd, now you're inviting more animals into the menagerie. Must leathers be all cow, except for the zipper, which has to be made of horse?

Happy fourth on July -- and BE SAFE out there, folks.

narider · July 04, 2007, 10:33:30 AM

Nice catch Slim, our livestock patrol.
You have a great day too my friend - Happy b-day to one and all.
Deb's still outta town, so...
I'm going for a ride with my naugahyde(yeah, right).
Todd

RayKimbro · July 10, 2007, 07:25:53 AM

Question: Only the zipper joining the jacket to pants must be metal?

If this is indeed the OFFICIAL interpretation of the requirement, than I'd like to be corrected.

My understanding was that above 175 - (determined by current record in class entered) - that the zipper must be metal - no differing standards for 1 or 2 piece leathers.

Your mention of the armor requirement for these speeds is a noteworthy reminder as well.

Dan Stokes · July 18, 2007, 01:31:52 PM

For God's sake, Todd!!! Don't you know that Naugas are an endangered species, and it takes hundreds of them to make a set of leathers? Save the endangered Nauga - ride in cowhide!

BTW - I suspect that Todd and Deb have more reason than most to take these requirements seriously. Deb's relatively minor injuries are proof that what we're doing works. I don't have a dog in this fight (as a car racer), but I'd take Todd's word for it.

Dan

Quote from: narider on July 04, 2007, 10:33:30 AM
Nice catch Slim, our livestock patrol.
You have a great day too my friend - Happy b-day to one and all.
Deb's still outta town, so...
I'm going for a ride with my naugahyde(yeah, right).
Todd

Glen · July 18, 2007, 02:59:42 PM

Slim forgot to tell you he is thick skinned due to living way up north.

RayKimbro · July 19, 2007, 06:24:06 AM

Quote from: Dan Stokes on July 18, 2007, 01:31:52 PM
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BTW - I suspect that Todd and Deb have more reason than most to take these requirements seriously. Deb's relatively minor injuries are proof that what we're doing works. I don't have a dog in this fight (as a car racer), but I'd take Todd's word for it.

Dan

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My personal opinion is that Todd's perspective makes sense - but, that doesn't gibe w/what I read in the book, hence the question.

I want to make certain that if I, as an ECTA Motorcycle Tech Inspector, suggest any corrections, that the basis for my suggestion is the accepted definition of the rule, and not "just what Ray thinks".

I'd hate it if I kept someone from participating because I misunderstood something, I'd hate it even more if I goofed and let someone on the track w/substandard safety equipment and they were hurt.

Seems like a trivial thing, but, I take it seriously.

Warp12 · July 19, 2007, 02:55:47 PM

I take this stuff seriously as well.

Looking at page 50 of the 2007 rulebook, everything is spelled out clearly in regards to metal zippers. At no point are metal zippers mentioned in relation to a 1-piece suit.

In addition, when speeds are mentioned, it is stated as "Required over 175 mph". Not "Required when the class record is over 175 mph".

If there is more to the rules than what is in the rulebook, I would just like to be directed to the documentation. Otherwise, it is a system of arbitrary rules that is being enforced.

I think everyone has the same goals in mind here. That being, clarifying the rules, and above all, maintaining safety.

isiahstites · July 19, 2007, 05:47:36 PM

Quote from: Warp12 on July 19, 2007, 02:55:47 PM
I take this stuff seriously as well.

Looking at page 50 of the 2007 rulebook, everything is spelled out clearly in regards to metal zippers. At no point are metal zippers mentioned in relation to a 1-piece suit.

In addition, when speeds are mentioned, it is stated as "Required over 175 mph". Not "Required when the class record is over 175 mph".

If there is more to the rules than what is in the rulebook, I would just like to be directed to the documentation. Otherwise, it is a system of arbitrary rules that is being enforced.

I think everyone has the same goals in mind here. That being, clarifying the rules, and above all, maintaining safety.

I talked to a SCTA inspector this weekend and asked about the metal zipper for a two piece suit and he said I need them. I couldn't find anything in the rulebook either.

Scott

Glen · July 19, 2007, 06:09:19 PM

PLASTIC ZIPPERS MELT, just ask any rider that has had an oil fire or turbo fire at speed. Go with what Amo, Slim, or scott G. says.

Stainless1 · July 19, 2007, 06:37:51 PM

Quote from: Warp12 on July 19, 2007, 02:55:47 PM

In addition, when speeds are mentioned, it is stated as "Required over 175 mph". Not "Required when the class record is over 175 mph".

If the class record is over 175 it is anticipated that competitors will be able to go over 175, therefore the rules would apply. The fact that you scooter will only go 120 has no bearing if the record is 178.345. you must be equipped like you do over 175. Bikes or cars, doesn't matter

narider · August 05, 2007, 08:06:43 AM

As Ray and Warp12 have shown above, there are 3 ways to decipher the rulebook.
1-the written rule
2-the interpreted rule
3-the intended rule
Like a gearbox, anytime the three don't mesh correctly there is either backlash or binding on one or more of the components(entrants), and the proper clearance should be set rather by experience.
Glen and Stainless spoke it clearly in this case, wonder where that experience came from?

Anytime an official or entrant is at all unsure of a decision they should ask at least one other official to assure(the possibility anyways) of fairness and safety.

Dan, there's few days that go by that I don't inspect or refer to Deb's leathers for our current and future use of safety gear and bike configurations.
Todd

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