I see recent posts about 125 mph new car class as a means to recruit young or new generation of land speed racers, it is ridiculous. When does the SCTA look at themselves in the equation of losing racers or lack of recruitment. it would be like having a restaurant that is making people sick and serving bad meals and bad service, if that restaurant had a reasonable management or owners you would probably see a big sign across the front of the restaurant saying under new ownership or under new management, if there were any chance of surviving, i.e., focus on keeping people rather than running them off and recruiting new victims.
I'm not sure I understand a perceived problem here (or a perceived solution).
But I'm willing to read more, if you'd care to explain a bit more for folks like me
who didn't get straight A's in school.
If there were more young folks getting into land speed racing, maybe the LSR
community would have a stronger voice in the politics involved to help keep the
sport alive. On the other hand, maybe the sport isn't in dire need of this. As
far as I know, El Mirage isn't being mined, and isn't being depleted of a dirt
surface suitable for racing.
USFRA's 130 & 150 has been pretty successful. Why not try something new :-D
I've always wanted to race at the Indy 500. The rotten rules don't let street cars participate! What's with that!!!
We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell.
My response :
Let me tell you about poor sportsmanship, and most honest peoples view of that.
I built a car to participate from your supposed rulebook, I even had verbal assurances from SCTA officials that the clause you could run as a guest with certain limitations which I accepted. After the expense and hard work of producing a nice car which met all of the criteria in the rule book was allowed to enter as a guest. After entering a few meets, the SCTA moved the goal post and forced me to join a club or shut the car down, that ultimatum is a direct violation of the rule book. After reluctantly joining a club it was obvious to me we were not part of the club. After the SCTA?s disturbing behavior I was requested to represent them at the Grand National Road Show. I did no at my own expense not once but twice. After accommodating their request on two separate occasions, we were never shown any gratitude or thanked for our efforts. This is after several monetary donations to the SCTA as well.
At the last show my car was vandalized, other show participants in the VIP building insinuated it was SCTA members, possibly even officials. No one with the love of motorsports like we have is going to be thrilled with that situation. Any normal person with a car of our caliber would be extremely upset. In our opinion we were treated with the utmost un-sportsmanship like conduct.
At one of our last tech inspections at the prompting of an SCTA official the head car tech produced an artificial insemination glove that a vet uses to stick up an animals ass. Not only did he head car instructor have it in his pocket, but another official prompted him to flaunt it in front of us. We have livestock and immediately new the implication. On every occasion we were in tech, sometimes for hours at a time, not being inspected but nit-picked. We never had one violation registered in our log book. That?s not poor sportsmanship it is down right corrupt.
Due to time and space we could talk about several instances of egregious ethical violations.
Records being denied, alcohol being consumed while driving race vehicles, unexplained sped limit stickers and the list goes on.
P.S. If we were such poor sports why were we requested to represent the SCTA at two of the biggest car shows in the United States. If the SCTA doesn?t go by its own rule book why do they have one.
If we can?t have some constructive critique to events that have happened it looks monopolistic and severely limiting.
There was a post replying to our first post and we felt it would be proper to respond. Maybe this will help answer Tallguy?s response.
You must not be telling the whole story. Does not add up. hours in tech? unexplained speed limit stickers?
So, what club did you join and not feel part of.
I see no class on your car or line up start.
what class did you run and what were your times and when.
Why would the inspectors have a glove like that.
For no reason I doubt it as I doubt your post.
JL222
We would like to address Wake Up #1 & #2 a note to the Moderator or Monitor. Weare not trying to damage Land speed Racing or motorsports. We tried to handle the situation internally but we were banned in order to avoid this subject matter. We were always told the best way to correct underhanded and shady behavior is to shed light on it. Let the racers and race community judge the post. Our concern for motorsports in general prompted this, we don?t want to see any other racer or race team subjected to this type of treatments.
Not to change the subject but in NASCAR?s recent legal issues , upper management nasty and demeaning email?s were exposed, now a major sponsor, the owner of Pro Bass has requested from NASCAR/Jim France for upper management regime change, because of the leak of info. Surely you can see the similarities.
Thank you for your consideration.
P.S. This is the only forum we have ever posted on, we felt we had no other options.
When did this happen, and where was the event. Never heard of an inspection taking that long.
Quote from: dsorey on December 13, 2025, 03:26:55 PM
We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell.
My response :
Let me tell you about poor sportsmanship, and most honest peoples view of that.
I built a car to participate from your supposed rulebook, I even had verbal assurances from SCTA officials that the clause you could run as a guest with certain limitations which I accepted. After the expense and hard work of producing a nice car which met all of the criteria in the rule book was allowed to enter as a guest. After entering a few meets, the SCTA moved the goal post and forced me to join a club or shut the car down, that ultimatum is a direct violation of the rule book. After reluctantly joining a club it was obvious to me we were not part of the club. After the SCTA?s disturbing behavior I was requested to represent them at the Grand National Road Show. I did no at my own expense not once but twice. After accommodating their request on two separate occasions, we were never shown any gratitude or thanked for our efforts. This is after several monetary donations to the SCTA as well.
At the last show my car was vandalized, other show participants in the VIP building insinuated it was SCTA members, possibly even officials. No one with the love of motorsports like we have is going to be thrilled with that situation. Any normal person with a car of our caliber would be extremely upset. In our opinion we were treated with the utmost un-sportsmanship like conduct.
At one of our last tech inspections at the prompting of an SCTA official the head car tech produced an artificial insemination glove that a vet uses to stick up an animals ass. Not only did he head car instructor have it in his pocket, but another official prompted him to flaunt it in front of us. We have livestock and immediately new the implication. On every occasion we were in tech, sometimes for hours at a time, not being inspected but nit-picked. We never had one violation registered in our log book. That?s not poor sportsmanship it is down right corrupt.
Due to time and space we could talk about several instances of egregious ethical violations.
Records being denied, alcohol being consumed while driving race vehicles, unexplained sped limit stickers and the list goes on.
P.S. If we were such poor sports why were we requested to represent the SCTA at two of the biggest car shows in the United States. If the SCTA doesn?t go by its own rule book why do they have one.
If we can?t have some constructive critique to events that have happened it looks monopolistic and severely limiting.
There was a post replying to our first post and we felt it would be proper to respond. Maybe this will help answer Tallguy?s response.
You have made some serious allegations about SCTA/BNI which I don't believe.
SO, wnat is your car number and class. When did thiss happen?
Quote from: dsorey on December 13, 2025, 07:44:44 PM
We would like to address Wake Up #1 & #2 a note to the Moderator or Monitor. Weare not trying to damage Land speed Racing or motorsports. We tried to handle the situation internally but we were banned in order to avoid this subject matter. We were always told the best way to correct underhanded and shady behavior is to shed light on it. Let the racers and race community judge the post. Our concern for motorsports in general prompted this, we don?t want to see any other racer or race team subjected to this type of treatments.
Not to change the subject but in NASCAR?s recent legal issues , upper management nasty and demeaning email?s were exposed, now a major sponsor, the owner of Pro Bass has requested from NASCAR/Jim France for upper management regime change, because of the leak of info. Surely you can see the similarities.
Thank you for your consideration.
P.S. This is the only forum we have ever posted on, we felt we had no other options.
YEAH shed some light.
You say you built this car to SCTA specs,
So, what's your car number and class.
When did El Mirage incident happen and what was the speed?
JL222
Quote from: 37 ROADSTER on December 14, 2025, 08:35:44 AM
When did this happen, and where was the event. Never heard of an inspection taking that long.
Is a moderator deleting post?
Quote from: dsorey on December 13, 2025, 03:26:55 PM
We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell.
My response :
Let me tell you about poor sportsmanship, and most honest peoples view of that.
I built a car to participate from your supposed rulebook, I even had verbal assurances from SCTA officials that the clause you could run as a guest with certain limitations which I accepted. After the expense and hard work of producing a nice car which met all of the criteria in the rule book was allowed to enter as a guest. After entering a few meets, the SCTA moved the goal post and forced me to join a club or shut the car down, that ultimatum is a direct violation of the rule book. After reluctantly joining a club it was obvious to me we were not part of the club. After the SCTA?s disturbing behavior I was requested to represent them at the Grand National Road Show. I did no at my own expense not once but twice. After accommodating their request on two separate occasions, we were never shown any gratitude or thanked for our efforts. This is after several monetary donations to the SCTA as well.
At the last show my car was vandalized, other show participants in the VIP building insinuated it was SCTA members, possibly even officials. No one with the love of motorsports like we have is going to be thrilled with that situation. Any normal person with a car of our caliber would be extremely upset. In our opinion we were treated with the utmost un-sportsmanship like conduct.
At one of our last tech inspections at the prompting of an SCTA official the head car tech produced an artificial insemination glove that a vet uses to stick up an animals ass. Not only did he head car instructor have it in his pocket, but another official prompted him to flaunt it in front of us. We have livestock and immediately new the implication. On every occasion we were in tech, sometimes for hours at a time, not being inspected but nit-picked. We never had one violation registered in our log book. That?s not poor sportsmanship it is down right corrupt.
Due to time and space we could talk about several instances of egregious ethical violations.
Records being denied, alcohol being consumed while driving race vehicles, unexplained sped limit stickers and the list goes on.
P.S. If we were such poor sports why were we requested to represent the SCTA at two of the biggest car shows in the United States. If the SCTA doesn?t go by its own rule book why do they have one.
If we can?t have some constructive critique to events that have happened it looks monopolistic and severely limiting.
There was a post replying to our first post and we felt it would be proper to respond. Maybe this will help answer Tallguy?s response.
Quote from: JAL AKA JL222 on December 14, 2025, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: dsorey on December 13, 2025, 03:26:55 PM
We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell.
My response :
Let me tell you about poor sportsmanship, and most honest peoples view of that.
I built a car to participate from your supposed rulebook, I even had verbal assurances from SCTA officials that the clause you could run as a guest with certain limitations which I accepted. After the expense and hard work of producing a nice car which met all of the criteria in the rule book was allowed to enter as a guest. After entering a few meets, the SCTA moved the goal post and forced me to join a club or shut the car down, that ultimatum is a direct violation of the rule book. After reluctantly joining a club it was obvious to me we were not part of the club. After the SCTA?s disturbing behavior I was requested to represent them at the Grand National Road Show. I did no at my own expense not once but twice. After accommodating their request on two separate occasions, we were never shown any gratitude or thanked for our efforts. This is after several monetary donations to the SCTA as well.
At the last show my car was vandalized, other show participants in the VIP building insinuated it was SCTA members, possibly even officials. No one with the love of motorsports like we have is going to be thrilled with that situation. Any normal person with a car of our caliber would be extremely upset. In our opinion we were treated with the utmost un-sportsmanship like conduct.
At one of our last tech inspections at the prompting of an SCTA official the head car tech produced an artificial insemination glove that a vet uses to stick up an animals ass. Not only did he head car instructor have it in his pocket, but another official prompted him to flaunt it in front of us. We have livestock and immediately new the implication. On every occasion we were in tech, sometimes for hours at a time, not being inspected but nit-picked. We never had one violation registered in our log book. That?s not poor sportsmanship it is down right corrupt.
Due to time and space we could talk about several instances of egregious ethical violations.
Records being denied, alcohol being consumed while driving race vehicles, unexplained sped limit stickers and the list goes on.
P.S. If we were such poor sports why were we requested to represent the SCTA at two of the biggest car shows in the United States. If the SCTA doesn?t go by its own rule book why do they have one.
If we can?t have some constructive critique to events that have happened it looks monopolistic and severely limiting.
There was a post replying to our first post and we felt it would be proper to respond. Maybe this will help answer Tallguy?s response.
You have made some serious allegations about SCTA/BNI which I don't believe.
SO, wnat is your car number and class. When did thiss happen?
Quote from: JAL AKA JL222 on December 14, 2025, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: dsorey on December 13, 2025, 03:26:55 PM
We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell.
My response :
Let me tell you about poor sportsmanship, and most honest peoples view of that.
I built a car to participate from your supposed rulebook, I even had verbal assurances from SCTA officials that the clause you could run as a guest with certain limitations which I accepted. After the expense and hard work of producing a nice car which met all of the criteria in the rule book was allowed to enter as a guest. After entering a few meets, the SCTA moved the goal post and forced me to join a club or shut the car down, that ultimatum is a direct violation of the rule book. After reluctantly joining a club it was obvious to me we were not part of the club. After the SCTA?s disturbing behavior I was requested to represent them at the Grand National Road Show. I did no at my own expense not once but twice. After accommodating their request on two separate occasions, we were never shown any gratitude or thanked for our efforts. This is after several monetary donations to the SCTA as well.
At the last show my car was vandalized, other show participants in the VIP building insinuated it was SCTA members, possibly even officials. No one with the love of motorsports like we have is going to be thrilled with that situation. Any normal person with a car of our caliber would be extremely upset. In our opinion we were treated with the utmost un-sportsmanship like conduct.
At one of our last tech inspections at the prompting of an SCTA official the head car tech produced an artificial insemination glove that a vet uses to stick up an animals ass. Not only did he head car instructor have it in his pocket, but another official prompted him to flaunt it in front of us. We have livestock and immediately new the implication. On every occasion we were in tech, sometimes for hours at a time, not being inspected but nit-picked. We never had one violation registered in our log book. That?s not poor sportsmanship it is down right corrupt.
Due to time and space we could talk about several instances of egregious ethical violations.
Records being denied, alcohol being consumed while driving race vehicles, unexplained sped limit stickers and the list goes on.
P.S. If we were such poor sports why were we requested to represent the SCTA at two of the biggest car shows in the United States. If the SCTA doesn?t go by its own rule book why do they have one.
If we can?t have some constructive critique to events that have happened it looks monopolistic and severely limiting.
There was a post replying to our first post and we felt it would be proper to respond. Maybe this will help answer Tallguy?s response.
You have made some serious allegations about SCTA/BNI which I don't believe.
SO, what is your car number and class. When did this happen?
Replys are being removed
No, I don't think so, but I am considering combining it all into a single thread and hoping to see the answers from dsorey
so I did... dsorey, please reply to this topic... inquiring minds want to know
I would like to thank the monitors of the forum for allowing us to post. We have not posted to hut or damage motor sports, quite the opposite, we entered a different race car in a non SCTA event by change, we ended up next to an el Mirage competitor or participant by chanace.
One of the cars supporting crew was an SCTA official that is referred to as Sheriff at El Mirage. During pre run preparations they wanted us to lend them some needed materials, as always we were friendly and accommodated any that we could.
Through these interactions the SCTA official was communicating with us for well over 2 hours. During those exchanges he thought he would impress us by telling us several instances where he and others were subjecting other racers and cars through the SCTA with shady and unethical behavior, not one but several different instances. Always followed with a grin and a snicker like he thought it was cute. My better half, which is my crew didn?t recognize him without his white shirt and orange hat, after what I had been through at El Mirage I immediately recognized him and still treated him with respect and kindness. His stories confirmed that not only us but others were being treated with disdain. We purposely did not identify ourselves in order for him to feel more comfortable with us. I may be just a country boy and a shade tree mechanic, but I was always told, you don?t have to hang a bad actor and dishonest person, you just need to feed them enough rope and they will hang themselves.
After 2 hours of disgusting stories about their behavior towards unsuspecting racers which was a few minutes before our run, I asked him a question, you don?t know who we are do you, he had an expression of confusion, then I stated is this car we are getting ready to run was a black ?57 chevy and not a black Pontiac, you would know who we were. I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar, expression said it all, at that moment I?m sure he was thinking about the stories he has been talking about and their shady behavior at El Mirage. Where I come from, he wouldn?t be called the sheriff he would be called a crooked cop.
When two top SCTA officials the sheriff and the head car tech behave this way it?s horrible for motorsports and the SCTA. It reminds me of another country saying, it only takes a couple of bad apples to spoil the whole bunch.
SCTA should follow NASCAR?s lead, like I stated in our previous post and eliminate these people from their positions. In order to try and save motor sports reputations as well as the SCTA?s integrity. Even someone that consistently got D- in school should be able to understand the theme of this post.
The officials were caught doing unbecoming behavior and I was the one that was banned. Look at the situation in Minnesota with the fraud, the whistleblowers were subjected to worse treatment than the fraudsters.
You are not the only one with stories, you are just not going to hear them repeated here.
There seems to be an unwritten rule that you can't criticize the SCTA.
We have concluded that it's just club racing. You are either part of their club or not.
dsorey... I have raced at EL mirage off and on for 35yrs and never hear stories like yours.
You claimed to have ran your black 57 chev there. As in my previous post.
I SEE NO STARTING POSITION OR CAR CLASS AND NUMBER ON THE CHEV.
AND IF YOU RAN WHAT WAS YOUR STARTING POSITION, LANE, TIME AND DATE??
UNTILL, YOU PROVIDE THEM I WILL BE THINKING YOUR FULL OF BULL $HIT.
jl222
i]"We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell."[/i]
There are always two sides to a story. If someone wants to find out what has taken place between the SCTA and this car and owner I suggest you contact either Bill Latin or Pat McDowell or both, and listen to what they have to say. Then read between the lines, and decide for yourself.
Tom G.
Quote from: desotoman on January 15, 2026, 08:21:52 AM
i]"We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell."[/i]
There are always two sides to a story. If someone wants to find out what has taken place between the SCTA and this car and owner I suggest you contact either Bill Latin or Pat McDowell or both, and listen to what they have to say. Then read between the lines, and decide for yourself.
Tom G.
Good luck getting a hold of McDowell. He be testing on the great white dyno in the sky.
Quote from: MRK on January 15, 2026, 09:09:19 AM
Good luck getting a hold of McDowell. He be testing on the great white dyno in the sky.
WHAT? When did Pat pass on? It must have been very very recent?
Tom G.
Quote from: desotoman on January 15, 2026, 09:54:16 AM
Quote from: MRK on January 15, 2026, 09:09:19 AM
Good luck getting a hold of McDowell. He be testing on the great white dyno in the sky.
WHAT? When did Pat pass on? It must have been very very recent?
Tom G.
Yes it was. The SCTA Facebook page posted it on January 3.
Quote from: MRK on January 15, 2026, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: desotoman on January 15, 2026, 09:54:16 AM
WHAT? When did Pat pass on? It must have been very very recent?
Tom G.
Yes it was. The SCTA Facebook page posted it on January 3.
Thanks for the information regarding Pat's passing. Not everyone uses Facebook, and it is not listed on the SCTA Website under Health and Welfare.
Tom G.
Quote from: desotoman on January 15, 2026, 08:21:52 AM
i]"We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell."[/i]
There are always two sides to a story. If someone wants to find out what has taken place between the SCTA and this car and owner I suggest you contact either Bill Latin or Pat McDowell or both, and listen to what they have to say. Then read between the lines, and decide for yourself.
Tom G.
Tom... don't you see a huge gap in his somebody did me wrong post?
Answer... later today if you can't figure it out.
JL222
Quote from: JAL AKA JL222 on January 16, 2026, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: desotoman on January 15, 2026, 08:21:52 AM
i]"We received a letter from the SCTA the permanently banned us from racing for the SCTA and the BNI, Bonneville in which is a place we never joined or attended. It was signed by Bill Latin and Pat McDowell."[/i]
There are always two sides to a story. If someone wants to find out what has taken place between the SCTA and this car and owner I suggest you contact either Bill Latin or Pat McDowell or both, and listen to what they have to say. Then read between the lines, and decide for yourself.
Tom G.
Tom... don't you see a huge gap in his somebody did me wrong post?
Answer... later today if you can't figure it out.
JL222
What's missing? The reason SCTA banned him.
Desory never answers about is car number or class or any dates.
He got banned and is now trying to discredit the SCTA.
So desory you want to shed some light.
Post the letter.
JL222
Hi John,
I understand what you are saying. We don't know if this is something that was created with AI by someone with a grudge, or some kids who know enough about the sport to be playing a prank, etc, etc, etc. I also have seen that you have asked them several questions that have never been answered.
So for that reason, I suggested for anyone who really cares about this persons post and accusations, to contact who they claim wrote the letter to them. Once Bill Latin is contacted he could say if the accusation is true, never happened, or. etc. The reason I suggested contacting Bill or (Pat) is the simple fact that to my knowledge they have never used this forum. Also how long ago did this happen? Were they asked to display the car at the first GNRS that the whole building was LSR's which was a quite a few years ago, or a show that was recent? Too many questions and not enough answers. We really don't even know who we are talking to since most people use a nickname etc.
Tom G.
Question:
Has anyone here ever heard of an ElMirage official called "the sheriff"?
Quote from: desotoman on January 16, 2026, 07:39:02 PM
Hi John,
I understand what you are saying. We don't know if this is something that was created with AI by someone with a grudge, or some kids who know enough about the sport to be playing a prank, etc, etc, etc. I also have seen that you have asked them several questions that have never been answered.
So for that reason, I suggested for anyone who really cares about this persons post and accusations, to contact who they claim wrote the letter to them. Once Bill Latin is contacted he could say if the accusation is true, never happened, or. etc. The reason I suggested contacting Bill or (Pat) is the simple fact that to my knowledge they have never used this forum. Also how long ago did this happen? Were they asked to display the car at the first GNRS that the whole building was LSR's which was a quite a few years ago, or a show that was recent? Too many questions and not enough answers. We really don't even know who we are talking to since most people use a nickname etc.
Tom G.
Tom this post is not AI our kids... It's from a trouble making JERK that can't get along with anyone.
We really need to know who this is hiding from us.
Anyone with info on this black 57 chev?
JL222
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He was in our club (LSR) years ago. He has personal "issues". The club got rid of him and he went to another club (Sidewinders)? Eventually he created so much havoc with the SCTA he was banned from the organization. If you contact the SCTA you can get the whole story.
1. Drama is boring.
2. Small minds talk about people.
Mediocre minds talk about events.
Great minds talk about ideas.
Quote from: Dynoroom on January 17, 2026, 08:13:30 AM
If you contact the SCTA you can get the whole story.
Thanks Mike.
Tom G.
We are not normally forum people, but we thought we should respond to a couple of the replies.
Referring back to a prior post about the fraud in Minneapolis where the whistleblowers are more excoriated than the fraudsters we see people questioning about the car number and DE legitimacy of the car. There must be more to the tech?s about spending that excessive time in tech, etc. There is more to it. It was vendetta and chicken shit driven, it wasn?t about complying with the rules, it was more about punishment. Through the course of many tech?s, one tech was administered by a fellow racer who did not have an agenda of punishment of deviant reasons. He was professional, courteous and prompt. We were immediately teched and then we helped put his teams car in the tech lane and had a number of friendly exchanges with him and his team over the weekend, wow what a difference. As for the car ask your so called President , Vice President or Pee Wee Steve they will know the car.
Pee Wee Steve informed us we were the most photographed car in the SCTA which must have been very hard for him to admit, not that we cared. After all Pee Wee Steve is responsible for this car setting a record at El Mirage that will never be broken, most bogus techs, without ever having one violation in our log book. Not One! What do you expect from someone who we have never seen with his own self-built race car.
So much for races for racers by racers more likely peridium?s, rooms and other perks, etc.
Voters of the SCTA and California voters are baffling. The SCTA?s officers, Board, etc. has striking similarities as politicians of California, a Governor with a path of destruction and scandals in the driver?s seat while three communities burned to the ground with destroyed lives and lost lives and an LA Mayor with the same baggage, neither accepts any responsibilities and are both still in charge.
One last comparison, away from slimy politics, one can?t help but think of a baby?s dirty diaper. SCTA just wants to move the doodoo to a different spot, turn the diaper inside out, but the doodoo is still there stinking and getting on everybody. That seems to be how they select their officers and Board. We always thought you remove the dirty diaper, clean and remove the doodoo and dispose of it properly, put on a fresh clean diaper that way there are no sore hinnies. If they did that participation would probably rebound and SCTA financial statements would probably have pluses instead of negatives like the negatives we saw on a recent statement.
The garbage we just described about the state and the SCTA are the most likely reason the SCTA and the state are bleeding people. The best way to turn that trend around is to get rid of all of the doo. It looks like someone is in serious need of some baby wipes.
P.S. Somebody responded about unwritten rules, seems like all of the unwritten rules apply to us, only we purchased a rule book because we thought those were the rules, if it is full of unwritten rules what is the point of have a rulebook.
It seems like people did not appreciate the picture of the car, so we will post a picture of one of our motorcycles at El Mirage.
Everybody get to wiping.
The problem is I don?t think all the wiping in the world will fix the moral rot.
Thank you to the providers of the forum.
Like someone has already said, there are two sides to every story. When I first came to BV with a new car and was subjected to a super long tech session I was pretty miffed. I won't name names but one of the three guys raking me over the coals was the top dog and acted the part. Another guy looked a my FWD lakester and basically said it wouldn't work because so and so and someone else and another guy (name dropping) tried it and couldn't make it work. They seems like they were playing off each other to get brownie points. My crew had to physically restrain me to keep me from blowing a fuse. I had to do a few token things to make them happy. That was 20 years ago and the blood vessels are still sticking out on my neck!!! Don't get me started on the guy from Canada that keep sayin " thats not how we would have done it at our machine shop". Then he said we are in this same class and I always wanted to see how this car was built" To Lee Kennedy's credit he put in a rule to prevent any one from teching someone in their class. The (G...... J......son) rule :-D And don't get me started on those guys from the Au. I was warned before I got started that it was a Good old Boys Club of the SCTA clubs and they protected their members records. Now that they are struggling to get entry's I think they have relaxed there attitudes at the urging of Lee Kennedy whom I have the greatest respect for. When you try and race from 1200 miles away at El Mirage you really see what an insiders club it is. I think it's like just about any organization of this size and politics become a factor. P>S> now that all the El meets are two days I might still give it a Bucket List go with the help of Ed Fenn lol8
Quote from: JAL AKA JL222 on January 14, 2026, 09:12:00 PM
dsorey... I have raced at EL mirage off and on for 35yrs and never hear stories like yours.
You claimed to have ran your black 57 chev there. As in my previous post.
I SEE NO STARTING POSITION OR CAR CLASS AND NUMBER ON THE CHEV.
AND IF YOU RAN WHAT WAS YOUR STARTING POSITION, LANE, TIME AND DATE??
UNTILL, YOU PROVIDE THEM I WILL BE THINKING YOUR FULL OF BULL $HIT.
jl222
GUESS WHAT I don't believe you
You claim a record that will never be broken at EL mirage.
What is it, class, mph and date?
You have many actuations but never, ever, answer question as above.
Until then you're just a lying piece of $hit!!
JL222
:roll:
Name calling.
Are we back in the fourth grade now?
Can we start the ?Yo Mama? jokes. Please
Everyone needs to "Wake Up".
According to this article the original picture was taken by Kremer Johnson. Then posted with an article about El Mirage. The first comment was posted back in Jan. 2017, and there was a comment on the chevy in Aug. 2017. So the picture is at least 9 or 10 years old. Car picture is 6th one down.
https://www.behance.net/gallery/37720197/El-Mirage-Dry-Lake-Bed
So 9 or 10 years have passed, and a person is still not happy and POed after all this time, yet will not identify who he is, or what his car number was, what club he eventually belong to, etc, etc, etc.
He is playing everyone who has replied including me. So "Wake Up" and don't reply to any more of his posts. I am done with this thread, as I Woke Up.
Tom G.