Aps frame material size

Started by Greaseballracing, May 27, 2014, 02:45:12 PM

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Greaseballracing

Hey guys I'm in the process of building an aps-bf 650. It's rear engined with a 100" wheelbase, I'm looking for advice on the frame material. My local speed shop is drag racing based and they have in stock 1 1/4 x .0.82 cromoly or I can go to 1 1/2 x 0.155 mild tube not really sure and I can't seem to find a definitive answer as there seems to be no requirements in the rulebook. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks guys. Owen.

Peter Jack

The wall thickness you show for 1 1/2 doesn't look correct.

Pete

Greaseballracing

Yeah it's been converted (roughly) from metric. As listed from the website is 25.4 mm x 3.96mm

manta22

Decimal point is missing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Greaseballracing

Sorry guys from Australia, I'm not used to working in inches I'll edit it

Stainless1

25.4 is one inch not 1 1/2 although 1 inch .155 wall should be sufficient for bike frame with the proper triangulation and design.
Stainless
Red Hat 228.039, 2001, 65ci, Bockscar Lakester #1000 with a little N2O

Vinsky

1-1/2" sounds like streamliner material. I'd say 1" od x .095 is more than enough for a 650.
John

tauruck

Quote from: Greaseballracing on May 27, 2014, 03:18:13 PM
Sorry guys from Australia, I'm not used to working in inches I'll edit it

You could use a combination of 38mm and 25mm tubing.

Greaseballracing

Thanks for that stainless, vinsky & tauruck. The next deciding factor is chromoly or mild steel, does anyone have any ideas, I believe my headstock is chromoly so that is the way I'm thinking but if there is safety or legal issues with that I will machine a stock from mild steel.

tauruck

I build bike frames but I'm no expert knowledge wise on welding 4130 to mild steel.

I'm sure it could be done by the right welder.

My info over here in South Africa and from what I read is that Chromoly needs to be stress relieved in a furnace after welding to prevent it getting brittle.
Harley frames pre rubber mount get a pounding from the motor and they don't break so maybe there's an answer in that for you. :cheers:

WCJonesJr


tauruck

Thanks for the link.

I learned a lot. :cheers: :cheers:

manta22

Chrome moly tubing that is usually used in building aircraft & race car chassis is 4130N. This is in a "normalized" condition. Welding normalized 4130 does not require stress relieving. Several FAA handbooks cover this.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

bak189

Mild steel......085........Bronze welding (Brazing)   
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Greaseballracing

Thanks everyone that's the info I've been chasing. Looks like chromoly is the go, the shop stocks 1" x .120 or the next heaviest is 1"x .188 so I reckon the .120 will be my frame. It's planned with a double backbone and lots of triangulation so should be very strong. Thanks again for all the help.