Motorcycle speed in gears

Started by sofadriver, December 20, 2014, 01:30:28 AM

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Stainless1

1  53.1
2  71.3
3  89.9
4 107.9
5 123.7
6 140.4
Max at 13500 in each gear, no slip compensation
I will send you an excel file that does the math if you would like... we have used it successfully for 20 years.
Stainless
Red Hat 228.039, 2001, 65ci, Bockscar Lakester #1000 with a little N2O

sofadriver

Quote from: Stainless1 on December 20, 2014, 08:11:15 PM

I will send you an excel file that does the math if you would like.

I think you already did it all !
Thank you.

As little power as I have, I think a little slippage on the way might help me hit 13,500 rpm in 6th!
Mike in Tacoma

"aww, what the hell - let's just do it".............

Bike #833
100cc A/G, A/F and APS/G (in 2019)

stay`tee

i just done the calculations based on the info you posted (assumed stated final drive as primary), along with the formula i provided, result  140.56mph, (6th),,  :-)
First Australian to ride a motorcycle over 200mph at Bonneville,,,

sofadriver

Mike in Tacoma

"aww, what the hell - let's just do it".............

Bike #833
100cc A/G, A/F and APS/G (in 2019)

55chevr

Most of the tires I have used are in the 25 to 25.5 diameter

Sumner

Quote from: Sporty Dan on December 20, 2014, 11:13:22 AM
Have you tried the gearing calculator that Sumner put together? It allows you change sprockets to compare in addition to transmission gears. It's down 2 threads here.

Here is a screen shot...



...and besides the option to view multiple rear sprocket combintains at once as mentioned above (blue arrow area) you....



... can also see the speeds in any gear at any rpm without having to reload the rpm over and over.  Also another helpful thing is that you can see the rpm drop after a shift in any gear and the new rpm in the next gear which can help determine if you are falling out of the torque/HP curve after the shift.

It is not interactive online so that is a negative but download it here...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville-spreadsheet-index.html

... and then use it (go down the menu a short ways to the motorcycle spreadsheets.  If you don't have a spreadsheet program consider downloading Open Office....

https://www.openoffice.org/

...it is free and what I use (I do donate from time to time to them),

Sumner


Sumner

I came late to this thread but sitting down in FL all nice and warm thought I'd run the numbers also and basically came up with the same as above or about 138.4 mph for the inputs...



and you can see the rpm drop in each gear below if you shift in the 12,000 to 13000 range but pick what you would actually use....



Sum


Nortonist 592

I use the the Bonneville formula to calculate speed.  Really simple.  Make a run, go back and collect timing slip and bingo you have your speed.  This formula takes into account tire growth, wheel slippage and is 100% accurate.
Get off the stove Grandad.  You're too old to be riding the range.

Sumner

Quote from: Nortonist 592 on January 22, 2015, 11:34:04 PM
I use the the Bonneville formula to calculate speed.  Really simple.  Make a run, go back and collect timing slip and bingo you have your speed.  This formula takes into account tire growth, wheel slippage and is 100% accurate.


:cheers: :cheers: :-D :-D

Sum

sofadriver

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Quote from: Sumner on January 25, 2015, 07:49:25 AM
Quote from: Nortonist 592 on January 22, 2015, 11:34:04 PM
I use the the Bonneville formula to calculate speed.  Really simple.  Make a run, go back and collect timing slip and bingo you have your speed.  This formula takes into account tire growth, wheel slippage and is 100% accurate.


:cheers: :cheers: :-D :-D

Sum

Yeah, I know.
You never really know until it's done.
I have to prepare to be in the ballpark.
I'm obsessing about all this stuff (you guys don't know the half of it!) but..........it's what I do.  :roll:  :-D
Mike in Tacoma

"aww, what the hell - let's just do it".............

Bike #833
100cc A/G, A/F and APS/G (in 2019)

Stainless1

It's OK... a little research to figure out where to start is something we all do... some more obsessively than others.  It is a balance of what you want and what you need... getting there is the hard part... and the fun part... and the part that makes you crazy...
The time between races stirs the crazy pot...  :cheers:
Stainless
Red Hat 228.039, 2001, 65ci, Bockscar Lakester #1000 with a little N2O

JonAmo

Salt time is valuable and getting hard to come by so being half way prepared can secure that record.  you never know when the rain will come. 

Jon

fordboy628

Quote from: JonAmo on January 26, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
Salt time is valuable and getting hard to come by so being half way prepared can secure that record.  you never know when the rain will come. 

Jon

x2


When the time comes, you need to be ready enough to roll up to the line, and run a speed/time that is in your "ballpark".    Otherwise you are just wasting your (probably limited) resources.   Small changes or tuning to equal/exceed your class record can then be implemented.

That, in a nutshell, is the whole point of "planning".

BTW, "implementation" infers the execution of a decision or plan.    Those who "fail to plan", simply "plan to fail".    (W. Churchill)    The BEST race teams I'm aware of: PLAN OBSESSIVELY . . . .  go figure . . . . .

Pro teams that run less than competitively "right off the trailer" spend their race weekends playing "catch up".    Trust me, nobody on those teams is happy about it . . . . . .  especially if . . .   :dhorse:

What say you Krusty?
:cheers:
Fordboy
Science, NOT Magic . . . .

I used to be a people person.  But people changed that relationship.

"There is nothing permanent except change."    Heraclitus

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."     Albert Einstein

Sequim Jim

Where is a good place to buy rear sprockets?
Best regards
Jim

TheBaron

Try PBI sprockets and they are in Oregon