High Speed Ignition Retard

Started by ronnieroadster, December 07, 2015, 06:23:14 PM

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ronnieroadster

 With winter setting in its time for my mind to start working again. So Im wondering what would be the advantage of a high speed igntion retard. Presently I use Pertronix components on my engine I was unable to get any guidance from their Tech guy. Would anyone have any ideas?  
Working in the shop I use the 'F' word a lot. No not that word these words Focus and Finish go Fast and Flathead Ford!
ECTA  XF/BGRMR Record 179.8561
LTA    XF/BGRMR  Record 200.921 First  Ever Ford Flathead Roadster to hit 200 MPH burning gasoline July 2018
SCTA  XF/BGRMR Record 205.744  First gas burning Ford flathead powered roadster to top 200 MPH at Bonneville August 7, 2021 top speed 219.717
SCTA  XXF/BGRMR Record 216.131 plus a Red Hat
"Life Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club"

wobblywalrus

The spark advance curve is often retarded at high rpm 'cause the cylinder cannot fully fill with mixture.

Buickguy3

   What type of distributor setup are you using the Pertronix in?
I keep going faster and faster and I don't know why. All I have to do is live and die.
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Stainless1

Will it help your engine?

DYNO....DYNO...DYNO
Stainless
Red Hat 228.039, 2001, 65ci, Bockscar Lakester #1000 with a little N2O

ronnieroadster

Quote from: Buickguy3 on December 08, 2015, 06:13:11 AM
   What type of distributor setup are you using the Pertronix in?



I converted an Accel 37000 series distributor to fit my engine.
Working in the shop I use the 'F' word a lot. No not that word these words Focus and Finish go Fast and Flathead Ford!
ECTA  XF/BGRMR Record 179.8561
LTA    XF/BGRMR  Record 200.921 First  Ever Ford Flathead Roadster to hit 200 MPH burning gasoline July 2018
SCTA  XF/BGRMR Record 205.744  First gas burning Ford flathead powered roadster to top 200 MPH at Bonneville August 7, 2021 top speed 219.717
SCTA  XXF/BGRMR Record 216.131 plus a Red Hat
"Life Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club"

ronnieroadster

Quote from: Stainless1 on December 08, 2015, 06:42:54 AM
Will it help your engine?

DYNO....DYNO...DYNO

Ive been meaning to buy one of those maybe my wife wil get me one for Xmas  :-D
Working in the shop I use the 'F' word a lot. No not that word these words Focus and Finish go Fast and Flathead Ford!
ECTA  XF/BGRMR Record 179.8561
LTA    XF/BGRMR  Record 200.921 First  Ever Ford Flathead Roadster to hit 200 MPH burning gasoline July 2018
SCTA  XF/BGRMR Record 205.744  First gas burning Ford flathead powered roadster to top 200 MPH at Bonneville August 7, 2021 top speed 219.717
SCTA  XXF/BGRMR Record 216.131 plus a Red Hat
"Life Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club"

NathanStewart

El Mirage 200 MPH Club Member

Milwaukee Midget

Quote from: ronnieroadster on December 08, 2015, 12:39:34 PM
Ive been meaning to buy one of those maybe my wife wil get me one for Xmas  :-D

Just have her get you a gift card at Nathan's place.

Tell her to think of it as a spa day for your engine . . .  :cheers:

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  :roll:

wobblywalrus

It is a good idea to select a fuel supplier that has a racing program with helpful and intelligent tech support.  They can help you to select a good base fuel for your program.  Then, stay with that fuel during your development and racing.  Experience has shown me that the types of refinement you are doing are somewhat dependent on the characteristics of the fuel.  Switching fuels during the development process can invalidate a lot of the results and especially the spark advance curve.

As an example, my preference is gasolines that burn quickly and this allows me to use less spark advance.  The timing settings are a bit retarded for heavier fuels and I cannot get the high end power they provide.  I do not have enough spark advance when I use my curves developed for lighter fuels.

ronnieroadster

 
Thanks to all for your input.  My roadster powered by a little gas burning flathead Ford V-8 is oh so close to hitting 180 MPH in the standing mile. To get to the next level that 180 pass  Dyno testing including the coffee and beer might just make it happen. With winter setting in the time has come. Thanks again.
Ron
Working in the shop I use the 'F' word a lot. No not that word these words Focus and Finish go Fast and Flathead Ford!
ECTA  XF/BGRMR Record 179.8561
LTA    XF/BGRMR  Record 200.921 First  Ever Ford Flathead Roadster to hit 200 MPH burning gasoline July 2018
SCTA  XF/BGRMR Record 205.744  First gas burning Ford flathead powered roadster to top 200 MPH at Bonneville August 7, 2021 top speed 219.717
SCTA  XXF/BGRMR Record 216.131 plus a Red Hat
"Life Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club"

Sumner

Quote from: ronnieroadster on December 09, 2015, 01:44:04 PM...My roadster powered by a little gas burning flathead Ford V-8 is oh so close to hitting 180 MPH in the standing mile....

That is impressive  :cheers: :cheers:,

Sumner

gkabbt

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Sum, Here are some pics of Ron's car from the September ECTA meet:







REALLY good running blown flathead.....Impressive indeed!

Gregg

Stan Back

Always loved the simple looks of the flathead -- Oh, well.

It's 20 mph over the El Mirage (gas) record.
Past (Only) Member of the San Berdoo Roadsters -- "California's Most-Exclusive Roadster Club"

ronnieroadster

Quote from: Stan Back on December 09, 2015, 03:18:50 PM
Always loved the simple looks of the flathead -- Oh, well.

It's 20 mph over the El Mirage (gas) record.

There's nothing simple about a flathead anymore  :-D
But I have been SLOWLY getting her up to speed so far its been five happy years of ups and downs and sometimes a few crop circles.
Working in the shop I use the 'F' word a lot. No not that word these words Focus and Finish go Fast and Flathead Ford!
ECTA  XF/BGRMR Record 179.8561
LTA    XF/BGRMR  Record 200.921 First  Ever Ford Flathead Roadster to hit 200 MPH burning gasoline July 2018
SCTA  XF/BGRMR Record 205.744  First gas burning Ford flathead powered roadster to top 200 MPH at Bonneville August 7, 2021 top speed 219.717
SCTA  XXF/BGRMR Record 216.131 plus a Red Hat
"Life Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club"

wobblywalrus

Maybe ceramics and other coatings if you have not done that already.  That looks like a nice setup.