M&H Front Runner Tires

[71GSSDemon]

What are everyone's thoughts on M&H Front Runner drag tires as an option as both steering and drive tires on my Charger for C/BGALT?  I was looking at the 4.5/26-17 tires mounted on space saver 17x4 wheels.   I don't know thr weight rating of them as this writing. 

Zz

[71GSSDemon]

For anyone that is curious, the MSS017 from M&H have a medium compound and are rated at 945lbs each per a reply from Coker Tire (mfg).  This is well below my requirements unfortunately.  They are on a deep sale currently.

ZZ

[Tom Burkland]

You should stay away from these 17 inch dragster front tires on this heavy full bodied car. The only one of them that is a recognized land speed tire is the D2904 Goodyear, mounts on 17x2.5 rim (originally a bicycle spec rim), 22.9 outside diameter, 3.4 section width, manufacture rated for 1200 pounds load at 300mph in steer only applications. All other brands and even the other Goodyear part numbers are significantly lighter weight with thick tread rubber that will not take the weight or speed of land speed racing without shedding rubber or failing. Also not that there are NO automotive wheel configurations that they will fit on correctly.

Better choices for your car would be the D2953 Goodyear land speed eagle, mounts on 15x4.5 rim (automotive J spec), 23.1 outside diameter, 7.0 section width, manufacture rated for 1700 pounds at 300mph, suitable for drive and steer service.

One more step up to the D2860 Goodyear land speed eagle, mounts on 16x5.5 rim (automotive J spec), 24.5 outside diameter, 7.4 section width, manufacture rated for 2300 pounds at 320mph, suitable for drive and steer service.

Tires and wheels are not the place to attempt less expensive solutions that do not have proven load and speed testing to back them up, any initial economies will be quickly swallowed up in the carnage created by the resulting failures at speed and they extensive damage they will create. A tire failure at speed releases two separate sets of energy, 1) the explosive decompression of the inflation pressure, and 2) the kinetic energy of the tire mass as it disintegrates. These large amounts of energy will tear the entire corner off the vehicle and leave you in a three wheeled asymmetric aerodynamic shape that will not continue on its original heading nor will it follow cockpit input. We have actually had tire failures on the high speed test spinner that have initiated complete wheel failures due to the imbalance and asymmetric forces applied as the tire comes apart under the centrifugal forces, this is without applied radial load in a free spin for speed rating.
Best wishes as you finish up this project.
Tom Burkland   

[71GSSDemon]

You should stay away from these 17 inch dragster front tires on this heavy full bodied car. The only one of them that is a recognized land speed tire is the D2904 Goodyear, mounts on 17x2.5 rim (originally a bicycle spec rim), 22.9 outside diameter, 3.4 section width, manufacture rated for 1200 pounds load at 300mph in steer only applications. All other brands and even the other Goodyear part numbers are significantly lighter weight with thick tread rubber that will not take the weight or speed of land speed racing without shedding rubber or failing. Also not that there are NO automotive wheel configurations that they will fit on correctly.

Better choices for your car would be the D2953 Goodyear land speed eagle, mounts on 15x4.5 rim (automotive J spec), 23.1 outside diameter, 7.0 section width, manufacture rated for 1700 pounds at 300mph, suitable for drive and steer service.

One more step up to the D2860 Goodyear land speed eagle, mounts on 16x5.5 rim (automotive J spec), 24.5 outside diameter, 7.4 section width, manufacture rated for 2300 pounds at 320mph, suitable for drive and steer service.

Tires and wheels are not the place to attempt less expensive solutions that do not have proven load and speed testing to back them up, any initial economies will be quickly swallowed up in the carnage created by the resulting failures at speed and they extensive damage they will create. A tire failure at speed releases two separate sets of energy, 1) the explosive decompression of the inflation pressure, and 2) the kinetic energy of the tire mass as it disintegrates. These large amounts of energy will tear the entire corner off the vehicle and leave you in a three wheeled asymmetric aerodynamic shape that will not continue on its original heading nor will it follow cockpit input. We have actually had tire failures on the high speed test spinner that have initiated complete wheel failures due to the imbalance and asymmetric forces applied as the tire comes apart under the centrifugal forces, this is without applied radial load in a free spin for speed rating.
Best wishes as you finish up this project.
Tom Burkland

Thanks Tom!  Yeah, this is where I want to make sure I am being safe.  My first trip will be 150mph Club USFRA.  Then the ultimate goal was to hit 200mph.  I know there are a lot of cars similar to mine with far faster speeds.  I am running a Ford Crown Vic front suspension which requires a 16" rim at a minimum.  For now at least as I have not figured out how to move the caliper safely.  This is why I was looking at the 17" tires.  Also, it was convenient that OEM spare steel wheels are available in 17x4 with the 5x4.5 lug pattern.

ZZ

[racergeo]

 
   I'm very familiar with those tires, as I have 4 of them.  They are Muscle car front tires and have very heavy casings and beads. They are designed for newer cars that come with big brakes. They can run to about 200mph at the Texas mile and other asphalt events. No reason they won't go fast on salt. I shaved all the rubber off of mine. Don't be afraid

[71GSSDemon]

Thank you Sir.  If speaking of the M&H then what weight are you at?  They told me the load rating is 945lb per tire which is below where I will be.

[racergeo]

   Okay, my mistake, mine are the MSS024. They are 28' tall by 17". I think they are 18lbs and have way heavier side walls then a Goodyear front runner. If you can't afford the $750 each LSR tires they may by a good option if they are on sale.

[71GSSDemon]

Thank you, I will check those out.  Do you have a load rating or what you are loading them to?

[Mr. Schimstock]

You should stay away from these 17 inch dragster front tires on this heavy full bodied car. The only one of them that is a recognized land speed tire is the D2904 Goodyear, mounts on 17x2.5 rim (originally a bicycle spec rim), 22.9 outside diameter, 3.4 section width, manufacture rated for 1200 pounds load at 300mph in steer only applications. All other brands and even the other Goodyear part numbers are significantly lighter weight with thick tread rubber that will not take the weight or speed of land speed racing without shedding rubber or failing. Also not that there are NO automotive wheel configurations that they will fit on correctly.

Better choices for your car would be the D2953 Goodyear land speed eagle, mounts on 15x4.5 rim (automotive J spec), 23.1 outside diameter, 7.0 section width, manufacture rated for 1700 pounds at 300mph, suitable for drive and steer service.

One more step up to the D2860 Goodyear land speed eagle, mounts on 16x5.5 rim (automotive J spec), 24.5 outside diameter, 7.4 section width, manufacture rated for 2300 pounds at 320mph, suitable for drive and steer service.

Tires and wheels are not the place to attempt less expensive solutions that do not have proven load and speed testing to back them up, any initial economies will be quickly swallowed up in the carnage created by the resulting failures at speed and they extensive damage they will create. A tire failure at speed releases two separate sets of energy, 1) the explosive decompression of the inflation pressure, and 2) the kinetic energy of the tire mass as it disintegrates. These large amounts of energy will tear the entire corner off the vehicle and leave you in a three wheeled asymmetric aerodynamic shape that will not continue on its original heading nor will it follow cockpit input. We have actually had tire failures on the high speed test spinner that have initiated complete wheel failures due to the imbalance and asymmetric forces applied as the tire comes apart under the centrifugal forces, this is without applied radial load in a free spin for speed rating.
Best wishes as you finish up this project.
Tom Burkland

Tom,   Have you done any testing on the Goodyear Frontrunners to know their speed limit compared to the land speed tires?   

[racergeo]

   The Goodyear 17 inch 2/12 inch wide dragster tire has been restricted to under 200mph. I was running them on my lakester and blew one at 276mph. Lee said no more. The tires that Tom is referring to are the new 4" 17 inch dragster frontrunner that are more robust and rated to 300mph. My M&H tires are rated at 1325LBS and are a tire designed for new super cars like 1000 HP hemi cars and supercharged Mustangs. 

[71GSSDemon]

   The Goodyear 17 inch 2/12 inch wide dragster tire has been restricted to under 200mph. I was running them on my lakester and blew one at 276mph. Lee said no more. The tires that Tom is referring to are the new 4" 17 inch dragster frontrunner that are more robust and rated to 300mph. My M&H tires are rated at 1325LBS and are a tire designed for new super cars like 1000 HP hemi cars and supercharged Mustangs.

Thank you Sir.  That is good to know.