Modifications to the 2009 rules changes

[dwarner]

At the SCTA board meeting Friday night some modifications to the posted 2009 rules changes were made.

1) Thanks to some homework by ol38y on this message board the wording
...Manufacture date not to exceed 5 years.... will be deleted.

2) The ED formula for rotary engines will revert to the previous x3 factor. It was discussed and the board decided that we do not want to create an issue such as the motorcycle engines in roadsters problem in the future.

3) The board feels that further delays with mandatory head/neck restraints is
not in the best interest of our competitors. The following will be added to the rulebook:
Beginning January 1, 2010 all new cars and motorcycle streamliners presented for inspection shall have an engineered and tested SFI spec 38.1 type head and neck restraint system.  The association intends that this requirement shall be inclusive of all cars and motorcycle streamliners as soon as applicable devices are available for these vehicles

DW

[maguromic]

Is their a Hans or any type of device currently available for lay down liners?  Just curious

[dwarner]

Tony,

There are several types available. I Googled 'head and neck restraint' and got 1,100,000 hits.

Roy Creel is leaving for the PRI show on Wednesday. He is signed up for several SFI seminars. Roy will be researching the products and will let us know what is available when he returns.

DW

[maguromic]

Dan, I was just curious because I had this conversation with Jim Miller a couple days ago about the Hans devise and I was under the impression that  currently their wasn't anything available for a lay down liner.  I have know problem for my roadster as it was designed with the  Hans in mind.   Its a good rule though!

[Sumner]

Dan, I was just curious because I had this conversation with Jim Miller a couple days ago about the Hans devise and I was under the impression that  currently their wasn't anything available for a lay down liner.  I have know problem for my roadster as it was designed with the  Hans in mind.   Its a good rule though!

SEATBACK ANGLE: For comfort the HANS® device should match the angle of your seatback.

MODEL 40 - RECLINED SEAT
The Model 40 is a rare application and fits extremely reclined seats such as Vintage FF.

http://www.saferacer.com/hans-hans-extra-device.html?productid=594

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The Hutchens Hybrid with • Formula / Dragster – (65˚ seat back)

http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/?p=396

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also the R3...

http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/?p=400

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I'm not sure any of these will work in a streamliner or lakester, but I'll probably be calling them soon unless someone else does.

c ya,

Sum

[doug odom]

Has anyone talked to these manufactures and found out if they have ever tested their product in the lay down position? How far your head can snap forward when the base of your helmet is already resting on your chest? When I'm seated in the liner the back of my helmet is up against the headrest and the front base of the helmet is touching my chest. With an inch of clearance on each side where can my head go?

[Sumner]

Has anyone talked to these manufactures and found out if they have ever tested their product in the lay down position? How far your head can snap forward when the base of your helmet is already resting on your chest? When I'm seated in the liner the back of my helmet is up against the headrest and the front base of the helmet is touching my chest. With an inch of clearance on each side where can my head go?

I think they might feel that the formula 1 seating position is close to what we are in, but I won't be very happy about putting one of these on until they confirm what you are talking about.  I do hope that they do or will make a model to meet our situation.  I think even though our helmet is against our chest that isn't a guarantee that it can't go further, kind of like how much belts will stretch.  Regardless they need to do some testing in the extreme lay-down positions that we find ourselves in.

I wonder that this will mean to Jack's lay on your stomach position,

Sum

[hitz]

At the SCTA board meeting Friday night some modifications to the posted 2009 rules changes were made.

1) Thanks to some homework by ol38y on this message board the wording
...Manufacture date not to exceed 5 years.... will be deleted.

2) The ED formula for rotary engines will revert to the previous x3 factor. It was discussed and the board decided that we do not want to create an issue such as the motorcycle engines in roadsters problem in the future.

3) The board feels that further delays with mandatory head/neck restraints is
not in the best interest of our competitors. The following will be added to the rulebook:
Beginning January 1, 2010 all new cars and motorcycle streamliners presented for inspection shall have an engineered and tested SFI spec 38.1 type head and neck restraint system.  The association intends that this requirement shall be inclusive of all cars and motorcycle streamliners as soon as applicable devices are available for these vehicles

DW

DW,
We all are lucky that you post on this forum.

pl38y.
 For your help on getting the 5 year helmet rule deleted: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!

Sum and all,
The D-cell head restraint by Hutchens is the one that I found would probably work the best in my lakester. I have to duck my head and bend at the waist to clear the roll cage when exiting the car. It has a quick release on the helmet restraint and meets the SFI requirement. I have a 9 way belt system with seperate latch for the chest strap and a air hose to pull also so to undo everything it will probably take 4 or 5 seconds. I think my setup will protect me as well as possible. If anybody has any other recommendations, It would be good to post it here for everyone to see.

hitz

[Sumner]

.................... The D-cell head restraint by Hutchens is the one that I found would probably work the best in my lakester. I have to duck my head and bend at the waist to clear the roll cage when exiting the car. It has a quick release on the helmet restraint and meets the SFI requirement. ..............

Harv, I've looked at that also, but couldn't find a SFI rating for it.  Where did you find that??

Sum

[Bob Drury]

I wonder if in a lay down position it wouldn't be better to install a quick release restraint bar to go in front of the helmet above the visor.  I think trying to get out of a lakester/streamliner with a head restraint on would be very difficult, to say the least............Bob ( the proud owner of a R3, thanks to Mike Jr.).

[JimL]

Hi, Dan, and thanks, Sumner, for the websites.  I found that there really isn't anything (yet) beyond 35 degree layback, since the Hans 30 and 40 aren't available for larger drivers (meant for them young, skinny guys that still have all their teeth and hair). 

We'll all be following this one real close, especially those of us with a car under construction that was intended to have more layback in the seat!

Looks like "No more slouching at the dinner table, boys!"

Regards, JimL

[hitz]

Sum,
  I've been looking at the D-cell restraint sold at Summit. Go to Part# SAT-DCL-LRG. Click on SAT-DCL-LRG. It says it meets spec.SFI 38.1. They have been wrong before and I haven't called them to order yet. I think the R-3 or the Hans will make it difficult or maybe impossible to get out of most inclosed lakesters or streamliners. I was going to order a D-cell tonight but think I'll wait until Roy Creel gets back with more information. Even if it doesn't have the SFI 38.1 I may buy one for this year before they are required and punt next year. I'll borrow one of the Han's and try to get in and out of the lakester with it on.

  Did you get back home yet? I haven't sent the progress pictures yet. The body panels are all done and mounted and have a little fitting I want to get done. but they are good enough to go now. Boy! Does that take a lot of hours when your old, slow and don't know what your doing.

  Take care.

  Harvey

[Sumner]

Sum,
  I've been looking at the D-cell restraint sold at Summit. Go to Part# SAT-DCL-LRG. Click on SAT-DCL-LRG. It says it meets spec.SFI 38.1. They have been wrong before and I haven't called them to order yet. I think the R-3 or the Hans will make it difficult or maybe impossible to get out of most inclosed lakesters or streamliners. I was going to order a D-cell tonight but think I'll wait until Roy Creel gets back with more information. Even if it doesn't have the SFI 38.1 I may buy one for this year before they are required and punt next year. I'll borrow one of the Han's and try to get in and out of the lakester with it on.

  Did you get back home yet? I haven't sent the progress pictures yet. The body panels are all done and mounted and have a little fitting I want to get done. but they are good enough to go now. Boy! Does that take a lot of hours when your old, slow and don't know what your doing.

  Take care.

  Harvey

Hi, I just couldn't find anything on the company's site for the D-cel when they did post the SFI specs. for the others.  Also what is the mention about 3 year life that they mention?

I need to measure the lay-back angle on my car when I get home.  One thing I can't afford is to have my head pushed up any higher by something under my back as it would then be in the top of the cage.

We are in CT and start the drive back tomorrow with a couple stops.  Won't be home for a little over a week yet.  Send the pictures towards the end of next week.

c ya,

Sum

[4-barrel Mike]

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SAT%2DDCL%2DLRG&N=700+0&autoview=sku

Mike

[DSR Bruts]

Since I'm in the industry, Summit Racing is one of my customers and the question you asked is about one of the products Summit Racing is selling, I called a good friend of mine, Jim Turney head of the tech department at Summit Racing with regard to your questions.  All these products are manufactured by Safety Solutions Racing(safetysolutionsracing.com).  I called Sue at Safety Solutions Racing (800-731-4404) and she said that the SAT-DCL-LRG IS NOT 38.1 Certified.  They build the R-3 which goes down your back and the Hybred Pro, which just goes across your shoulders which she recommended.  They are reducing the cost of the Hyubred Pro, which is the shortest and is priced at $649.  Safety Solutions Racing will be at the Performance Racing show, and I will stop by their booth 3065 and try to get some material together, but most of it should be on their website, which I haven't looked at yet.  You can call the factory direct but this week all the tech guys will be at the PRI Show, so next week might be the best to get informaiton.  I am looking for the same thing, so I think this will be of interest to alot of us racers. I am also going to be looking at some other companies while I am there if I have time.