TRUCK OR COUPE?

[MAZDA1807]

I WAS JUST GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR EVERYONES OPINOIN.  AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, AN EL CAMINO OR RANCHERO MUST RUN COUPE/SEDAN CLASSES BECAUSE OF THE BASE VEHICLE THEY ARE MADE FROM.  WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE MID/MINI TRUCKS?  FOR EXAMPLE, THE DODGE RAMPAGE, VW RABBIT PICKUP, THE SUBARU BRAT AND THE SUBARU BAJA.  ALL BASED ON A PRODUCTION COUPE/SEDAN AS ARE THE EL CAMINO AND RANCHERO(WITCH IS WHY THEY MUST RUN COUPE/SEDAN). WHEN AND IF ONE OF THESE VEHICLES SHOW UP WHERE SHOULD IT GO: COUPE/SEDAN OR MID/MINI TRUCK.  FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN YOUR OPINION

[Glen]

They are still trying to figure out roadsters and you want to throw in trucks now. This should start a new war lol.

[Freud]

   FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN YOUR OPINION

   Release the CAP LOCK.

    FREUD

[McRat]

In real life you have to submit such a question to the SCTA on their website "clarification" form.

Now, in my opinion, all those you listed sure sound like mini-midi trucks.

As far as the El Camino's go, mine was huge, had the aerodynamics of a barn, and it had commercial plates on it (1968).  I put my motorcycle in it.  As soon as I see somebody stuff a 500 Yamaha inside a Civic, I'll start calling them coupes.

[SPARKY]

good Dr.  ---  Maybe he thinks us old guys need larger print

[floydjer]

And to really complicate things, my Suburban`s title says it`s a station wagon. So is it a car or truck???

[McRat]

Suburbans are Boats. 

You're welcome!   

[Stainless1]

good Dr.  ---  Maybe he thinks us old guys need larger print

Bill, ya don't need caps for that 

[NathanStewart]

In real life you have to submit such a question to the SCTA on their website "clarification" form.

Now, in my opinion, all those you listed sure sound like mini-midi trucks.

As far as the El Camino's go, mine was huge, had the aerodynamics of a barn, and it had commercial plates on it (1968).  I put my motorcycle in it.  As soon as I see somebody stuff a 500 Yamaha inside a Civic, I'll start calling them coupes.

He's not asking the SCTA, he's asking us for our opinions and for those that do not know there has been a new rule initiated that would allow smaller car-based "trucks" like the ones he listed to run in the mid-mini truck class.  Well, IMO, this does not follow the precedence the SCTA has already established by not letting full sized car-based "trucks" (El Camino, Ranchero, etc.) run as trucks.  They have to run in the coupe/sedan classes and have had to for decades. 

The full sized car-based trucks are significantly smaller in profile than a full sized truck of the same circa and I can confidently say that the mid-mini sized car-based trucks are also significantly smaller than normal mid-mini trucks.  Does it make sense to anyone else that smaller mid/mini type car-based trucks be allowed to compete as trucks when full sized car-based trucks can't?     

[RichFox]

VW already run as Mini-trucks. They do not have the great advantage over other mini trucks that a '59 El Camino has over a '59 Chevy half ton. I believe the SCTA has done the right and logical thing which has been the standard for some years. There is no reason to question it now.

[bbarn]

Why not a new class? Mid/mini pickup, full-size pickup.

[RichFox]

What is wrong with the classes as they are now. Unless you have a Ranchero or El Camino and want a class all for you?

[McRat]

In real life you have to submit such a question to the SCTA on their website "clarification" form.

Now, in my opinion, all those you listed sure sound like mini-midi trucks.

As far as the El Camino's go, mine was huge, had the aerodynamics of a barn, and it had commercial plates on it (1968).  I put my motorcycle in it.  As soon as I see somebody stuff a 500 Yamaha inside a Civic, I'll start calling them coupes.

He's not asking the SCTA, he's asking us for our opinions and for those that do not know there has been a new rule initiated that would allow smaller car-based "trucks" like the ones he listed to run in the mid-mini truck class.  Well, IMO, this does not follow the precedence the SCTA has already established by not letting full sized car-based "trucks" (El Camino, Ranchero, etc.) run as trucks.  They have to run in the coupe/sedan classes and have had to for decades. 

The full sized car-based trucks are significantly smaller in profile than a full sized truck of the same circa and I can confidently say that the mid-mini sized car-based trucks are also significantly smaller than normal mid-mini trucks.  Does it make sense to anyone else that smaller mid/mini type car-based trucks be allowed to compete as trucks when full sized car-based trucks can't?     

I was thinking that there is no area on the entry form for opinions, but be that as it may:

Opinion:  From what I've seen in racing so far, a "truck" is whatever can get a timeslip in a truck class.  It has nothing to do with whether it's a truck or not.  A truck is something you use for work/pleasure to haul or tow things.  They often have commercial registration.  They have a tow hitch usually, and a bed that can carry at least 1000lb.  And a diesel truck is one that is sold with a diesel drivetrain.  

Currently in non-LSR diesel truck racing there is bit of debate about it.  A "Street Pickup Truck" can now have glass body parts, full drag suspension, Lenco (or other non-street) transmission, and no effective cooling system.   They aren't street legal, registered, or street driven.  In fact, many need to be towed up to the start line.  Putting a pickup body on a full race chassis is kinda like Pro Wrestling in my eyes.  Good for show, but not the real thing.    

But let's get real.  WHO THE HECK RACES THEIR TOW VEHICLE??!!  

It's a sideshow put on by the lunatic fringe.  We are 1/2 racer, 1/2 hotrodder, and 1/2 daredevil, and 100% Redneck (hence the exemplary math skills).  

What is a truck, and what ain't a truck, is defined by the race organization you compete in.  The SCTA provided for truck classes, and for that I'm grateful.  I will admit that I am confused by some of the rules, but I do my best to insure I'm compliant.  And if I have questions, or if I desire a rule change, I use the proper channels to put forth a request.  

[McRat]

I think a very cool race truck would be a '59 Cadillac Coupe De Fleur.  These are huge Sedan De Villes with a pickup bed used by funeral homes.  Put 60's Flower Power decor on it.  Someday ...

[4-barrel Mike]

And, of course, you can prove that 500 were produced?   

Mike