XXO/BVGC '38 Chevy Coupe Build

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Stan Back

#240
March 02, 2011, 12:30:07 PM
"I HAD a budget. Had to sell the '58 Del Ray to cover the overages. Now I'm selling the Graham Paige to finish the project."

I thought you might have underestimated.  I've never done that.

When I built the 28 Mercury 20 years ago, I decided to keep each and every receipt including the short trips to the hardware store for just a few nuts and bolts, etc.  After a few months, the total was becoming way too intimidating, so I scrapped that idea.

Stan
Past (Only) Member of the San Berdoo Roadsters -- "California's Most-Exclusive Roadster Club"

fredvance

#241
March 02, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
When I started my project, about 4 years ago, I kept the receipts for about six or eight months, I realized then that I didnt want to know how much I spent. Also if I didn't keep them my wife couldn't find them. :evil:
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Tman

#242
March 02, 2011, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Stan Back on March 02, 2011, 12:30:07 PM
"I HAD a budget. Had to sell the '58 Del Ray to cover the overages. Now I'm selling the Graham Paige to finish the project."

I thought you might have underestimated.  I've never done that.

When I built the 28 Mercury 20 years ago, I decided to keep each and every receipt including the short trips to the hardware store for just a few nuts and bolts, etc.  After a few months, the total was becoming way too intimidating, so I scrapped that idea.

Stan

Yup, adds up. Since I ran the front end of a rodshop I HAD to keep track of my Touring parts. Small stuff alone for final assembly ran $3500

Dr Goggles

#243
March 02, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: fredvance on March 02, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
When I started my project, about 4 years ago, I kept the receipts for about six or eight months, I realized then that I didnt want to know how much I spent. Also if I didn't keep them my wife couldn't find them. :evil:
Quote from: Stan Back on March 02, 2011, 12:30:07 PM
"I HAD a budget. Had to sell the '58 Del Ray to cover the overages. Now I'm selling the Graham Paige to finish the project."

I thought you might have underestimated.  I've never done that.

When I built the 28 Mercury 20 years ago, I decided to keep each and every receipt including the short trips to the hardware store for just a few nuts and bolts, etc.  After a few months, the total was becoming way too intimidating, so I scrapped that idea.

Stan

oooooh nah, receipts are a bad idea, they're the sort of thing that could get a man hung......admit nothing ,deny everything, and wear gloves. Anything that turns up in the mail is a warranty repair..... everything you have that ain't being used is worth AT LEAST three times what you paid for it......
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Milwaukee Midget

#244
March 02, 2011, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: 38flattie on March 02, 2011, 11:01:18 AM

I HAD a budget. Had to sell the '58 Del Ray to cover the overages. Now I'm selling the Graham Paige to finish the project.

As long as there's food in the fridge, and gas in the tank, you're under budget.

Quote from: Dr Goggles on March 02, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
oooooh nah, receipts are a bad idea, they're the sort of thing that could get a man hung......admit nothing ,deny everything, and wear gloves. Anything that turns up in the mail is a warranty repair..... everything you have that ain't being used is worth AT LEAST three times what you paid for it......

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"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  :roll:

Tman

#245
March 02, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Dr Goggles on March 02, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: fredvance on March 02, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
When I started my project, about 4 years ago, I kept the receipts for about six or eight months, I realized then that I didnt want to know how much I spent. Also if I didn't keep them my wife couldn't find them. :evil:
Quote from: Stan Back on March 02, 2011, 12:30:07 PM
"I HAD a budget. Had to sell the '58 Del Ray to cover the overages. Now I'm selling the Graham Paige to finish the project."

I thought you might have underestimated.  I've never done that.

When I built the 28 Mercury 20 years ago, I decided to keep each and every receipt including the short trips to the hardware store for just a few nuts and bolts, etc.  After a few months, the total was becoming way too intimidating, so I scrapped that idea.

Stan

oooooh nah, receipts are a bad idea, they're the sort of thing that could get a man hung......admit nothing ,deny everything, and wear gloves. Anything that turns up in the mail is a warranty repair..... everything you have that ain't being used is worth AT LEAST three times what you paid for it......

Oh nop honey, I have had that tool for years! :wink:

38flattie

#246
March 02, 2011, 09:48:59 PM Last Edit: March 02, 2011, 09:50:46 PM by 38flattie
You guys crack me up! :-D

Sam made some more progress on the cage today.

Do you think I can get that wooden seat brace past tech? Sam said he was having a hard time getting the seat mounting tabs welded to it. He's going down tomorrow to get different rod.
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

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38flattie

#247
March 02, 2011, 10:01:35 PM


Ok guys, here's a quick sketch of the three piece heads.

The bottom piece is both an adaptor, and the bottom part of the cylinder head chamber.
The second piece has the chamber top and valves, and the top piece has the rocker assembly.

The sketch doesn't have the different bolt patterns that will bolt them to the bottom piece yet, but we'll update it later.
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

http://www.flatcadracing.org/
http://youtu.be/89rVb497_4c

38flattie

#248
March 03, 2011, 05:23:14 PM
Sam sent me the days work on the cage. I can't wait to get back down there next week!
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

http://www.flatcadracing.org/
http://youtu.be/89rVb497_4c

Tman

#249
March 03, 2011, 06:30:30 PM
You know after seeing Sam at teh HAMB Drags all these years I never knew he built Hooleys cage.

Milwaukee Midget

#250
March 03, 2011, 08:58:11 PM
I'm surprised at the speed at which the chassis is coming together.  Nice work, and timely.
Keep going - we're all eyes and ears.
"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  :roll:

maguromic

#251
March 03, 2011, 09:53:59 PM
Buddy, I like your head design.  Since you guys are doing a three piece head have you though about doing a three valve head or sinking the chamber in the bore  to get a short stroke and turn the engine like some others have done? Tony
"If you haven't seen the future, you are not going fast enough"

38flattie

#252
March 04, 2011, 06:24:36 AM Last Edit: March 04, 2011, 08:41:58 AM by 38flattie
Thanks for the kind words, guys! I know some of what I post is probably boring, but I'm still so excited, that even the small stuff thrills me!

We have discussed 3 valves, as it was brought up in a thread on another board. I don't plan on even firing an engine with these heads until after this season is over this year. This will give us plenty of time to get these heads right. One we have good, usable heads, and flow bench numbers, we'll try several different designs.

I hadn't thought of sinking the chamber in the bore, but will bring it up with the team members. I don't feel comfortable spinning the engine above the 6000-6500 rpm range, and we'll do that/ try that, with the long rods (8.75"), and a long stroke(4.625"). This idea may prove to be beneficial- Thanks!


update:

Well, this whole approval process is not going well for me!

The 3-piece head is not an acceptable design, because even though the bottom piece contains part of the chamber, it still acts as an adaptor plate.

So, I have to make a decision here. I can either work around the existing bolt pattern, and run XXO, or make the 3-piece and run time only.

More when I think on this some.


With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

http://www.flatcadracing.org/
http://youtu.be/89rVb497_4c

dw230

#253
March 04, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
"... run time only."

For the time and resources invested in a project like this I wouldn't consider the TO option. No benefit to that.

DW
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maguromic

#254
March 04, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Dan, and others in tech, What about the V4 guys running plates on their blocks?  Are these now illegal?  Tony
"If you haven't seen the future, you are not going fast enough"
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