G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas

[ggl205]

Hey Dick K:

I will be relying on improved weight distribution, a low/forward Cg and all that vertical flat panel at back for stabilization. The small stabilizer is there mainly to put class designation. The great white dyno will quickly tell me if this combination works or not.

John

[MAYOMAN]

John,
Sorry. I just couldn't resist the opportunity to apply the needle. Actually, a tall tail fin would just impart a roll moment, which you really don't need in yaw. Do you have a snow plow for that thing? Nasty weather this week - I need a wind breaker on my bike today.
When you get to light that motor up can you post a video on YouTube?

[ggl205]

I need a wind breaker on my bike today.
When you get to light that motor up can you post a video on YouTube?

Your killing me, Dick! 28 degrees out here for the past two days with no letup in site for a week. And yes, I will post a video for startup of the engine. Lots to do before then but should be close in a couple of months.

John

[ggl205]

As I close in on completion of my 2 liter lakester, I began looking downrange two or three years for other engine/transaxle combinations that would fit my car. Coincidentally, there is an F-class engine and gearbox available from an ill-fated streamliner project. The engine is a 1000 hp, turbocharged Toyota Supra mated to a Lola Indycar transaxle (Hewland DGB internals). Anyone want to guess what the speed potential would be with this drivetrain in my lakester?

John

[WOODY@DDLLC]

I know, I know but I'm not tellin'!  :x :x

[Seldom Seen Slim]

Screw the potential speed -- put it in and take it to Bville so we can enjoy the purty engine.  Eye candy is always good.

[tauruck]

Like SSS said.

[ggl205]

I too am an engine guy but in the final analysis, these things are just tools to a given end. As nice as they look, the bloody things have to perform or they might as well be wall hangers.

John

[Ron Gibson]

How much real doubt about if the one in the pictures will perform

Ron

[Rex Schimmer]

John said: " Anyone want to guess what the speed potential would be with this drivetrain in my lakester?"  Probably fast enough to cut into your shorts supply!

Funny how the car isn't even done and we are already looking at the next bullet! Doing the same thing with my I/fuel lakester!

Rex

[Stainless1]

John, better add a second chute if you are thinking about that engine....
that is my guess about potential 

[Jack Gifford]

... a 1000 hp, turbocharged Toyota Supra...
... Anyone want to guess what the speed potential would be with this drivetrain in my lakester?...

I don't see any forced induction system. Has it actually been run with turbo's?
SCTA record for F/BFL is about 263 MPH, if that's any help. Seems to me if a person could put 1,000 HP to the ground with an F lakester the record would be over 263.

It's somewhat ironic that while many builders contemplate "faster" via more engine, I'm personally thinking about 'slower' (smaller engine)... perhaps less stressful initial fire-up and dyno session. 8-)

[Dr Goggles]

... a 1000 hp, turbocharged Toyota Supra...
... Anyone want to guess what the speed potential would be with this drivetrain in my lakester?...

I don't see any forced induction system. Has it actually been run with turbo's?
SCTA record for F/BFL is about 263 MPH, if that's any help. Seems to me if a person could put 1,000 HP to the ground with an F lakester the record would be over 263.

It's somewhat ironic that while many builders contemplate "faster" via more engine, I'm personally thinking about 'slower' (smaller engine)... perhaps less stressful initial fire-up and dyno session. 8-)

If you can get the power to the ground, if the car keeps pointing down the track, if it doesn't break anything I reckon it's in the two chute range but gee there's a lot of maybes in going that fast.I watched a few people have a reality check at the salt here this year. 1000hp will break more things than traction. Better aero, same power more speed, just like that...

[ggl205]

... a 1000 hp, turbocharged Toyota Supra...
... Anyone want to guess what the speed potential would be with this drivetrain in my lakester?...

I don't see any forced induction system. Has it actually been run with turbo's?
SCTA record for F/BFL is about 263 MPH, if that's any help. Seems to me if a person could put 1,000 HP to the ground with an F lakester the record would be over 263.

It's somewhat ironic that while many builders contemplate "faster" via more engine, I'm personally thinking about 'slower' (smaller engine)... perhaps less stressful initial fire-up and dyno session. 8-)

Jack:

The engine does use a turbo but has not been started yet. It was waiting for the liner to be built and at some point, far enough along to justify completion. So, how do I know it will produce 1000 hp? These engines have a history of that much power and more. 1000 hp is about middle of the road.

I agree with you that often less is more but when it comes to horsepower, I will always take more. You can always take a little out if you have trouble planting the car.

John

[ggl205]

... a 1000 hp, turbocharged Toyota Supra...
... Anyone want to guess what the speed potential would be with this drivetrain in my lakester?...

I don't see any forced induction system. Has it actually been run with turbo's?
SCTA record for F/BFL is about 263 MPH, if that's any help. Seems to me if a person could put 1,000 HP to the ground with an F lakester the record would be over 263.

It's somewhat ironic that while many builders contemplate "faster" via more engine, I'm personally thinking about 'slower' (smaller engine)... perhaps less stressful initial fire-up and dyno session. 8-)

If you can get the power to the ground, if the car keeps pointing down the track, if it doesn't break anything I reckon it's in the two chute range but gee there's a lot of maybes in going that fast.I watched a few people have a reality check at the salt here this year. 1000hp will break more things than traction. Better aero, same power more speed, just like that...

Star Spangled Banger was a Lakester based on an older Indy car. It used a turbo Offy and those were notorious beasts on drivetrain bits. But that car had a lot going for it. It was a proven setup for that speed so I am sure the crew concentrated on handling and grip, all the things a solid road racing team would do. If/when the time comes, I hope we are as successful in F-class. But for now, everything is aimed at G/GL and G/FL.

John